Joanna Clark, San Juan Capistrano

Trump, with his xenophobia, misogyny and hate-filled racist rhetoric, and his white supremacist supporters should learn from history. They don’t understand that had it not been for a small group of black men and women who walked out of Africa 65,000 to 103,000 years ago, we wouldn’t be here. These people and their descendants settled the world, ever changing as they adapted to new environments.

During their journey, some made contact with the Neanderthals, while others made contact with the Denisovan. These species in time went extinct, but not before they passed their genes onto some of us.

Today, like it or not, we are one race—Homo sapiens sapiens—diverse in nationality, ethnicity, color, gender identities, sexual orientations and religious persuasions. But the fact is that we are all descendants of those first dark-skinned immigrants that left Africa many millennia ago.

The white person is not superior to the black person, nor is the black person superior to the white person. We are all the same race—a race that is facing a catastrophic future if we cannot put our irrational differences aside.

Yes, we’re diverse. But in that diversity, there is strength and hope. We can become an unstoppable force for change and the common good if we put our irrational differences aside and unite as one.

The decision rests with us.

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  • Thank you Joanna. You made some excellent points. I had my DNA done with 23andME a couple of years ago, and I found out I was 22% Peruvian, 3.5% Denisovan, 2.2% Neanderthal, 38% European-Mediterrian, 27% native American and 14.3% North African. Having been born in Mexico, I was at a loss as to where the Neanderthal and European-Mediterranean came from. When I took your course — Conquest of the Americas, I was able to figure it out. Francisco Pizarro who led the conquest of the Incan Empire. He and his men spread their DNA far and wide. “Like it or not, we are one race—Homo sapiens sapiens—diverse in nationality, ethnicity, color, gender identities, sexual orientations and religious persuasions. But the fact is that we are all descendants of those first dark-skinned immigrants that left Africa many millennia ago.”

  • @ Joanna,

    The biggest racist in national politics is our current president under whose administration race relations have taken a nose dive precisely because of his interference. For heaven’s sake, he employs the chief race huckster, Al Sharpton, as his advisor on these matters.

    As far as misogyny, how about Hillary Clinton’s war on women when she persecuted the women who had been abused by her husband? Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broddrick, and Paula Jones, just a few of the women Hillary set out to destroy. Add to that her championing of the abortion lobby where more than half of the murdered children would be female as well as her unqualified support of Planned Parenthood who has been selling off aborted baby parts/organs like an auto parts store.

    I agree that Americans need to come together as the proverbial melting pot, but race-baiting by the left has exacerbated a problem that had been improving until the Obama administration took office. Hillary promises to continue this divisive process.

    • David, that is your opinion. Hundreds of thousands, perhaps, millions might disagree with you.

      As for the allegations that you make against Hillary, it appears that they started with your friend Donald Trump, and were initially picked up by Fox& Friends and Breitbart, neither of which are very creditable resources. Of course, the latter is my personal opinion.

      What you present is hearsay, and hearsay is not creditable evidence. Consider what Exodus 20:16 has to say about hearsay evidence — “Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor.” Unless you can prove beyond a shadow-of-doubt that the hearsay evidence is true, then it could be false. You would be better of, in that case, to not say anything.

      The problem with politics is that everyone lies. And, as Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Goering pointed out, it is easy to manipulate the masses. You tell a big lie, then you tell it over and over again until it becomes the truth.

      • @ Joanna Clark

        “As for the allegations that you make against Hillary, it appears that they started with your friend Donald Trump, and were initially picked up by Fox& Friends and Breitbart…”

        No, the “allegations” started with the women who were first abused by Bill Clinton, then harassed and intimidated by the thugs Hillary hired. According to Hillary, women are to be believed in these cases…unless they are charges brought by women her husband abused and/or women she has harassed.

        http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/?page=all

        http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/a-woman-who-was-sexually-assaulted-by-bill-clinton-drops-a-bomb-on-hillary-whoa/

        A quote from the above article: “Willey met Bill as a volunteer at the White House. She requested a paying job, but instead of Bill helping her he allegedly harassed her sexually. Later on that day, her husband Ed committed suicide. And she describes Hillary’s efforts to keep her silent as “mob like tactics.”

        http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/us/politics/90s-scandals-threaten-to-erode-hillary-clintons-strength-with-women.html?_r=0

        From the above Yew York Times website: ““We have to destroy her story,” Mrs. Clinton said in 1991 of Connie Hamzy, one of the first women to come forward during her husband’s first presidential campaign, according to George Stephanopoulos, a former Clinton administration aide who described the events in his memoir, “All Too Human.” (Three people signed sworn affidavits saying Ms. Hamzy’s story was false.)”

        Joanna, I think you can recall hearing of these “bimbo eruptions” back in the early 1990’s, long before Trump was a political figure. When Hillary unwisely chose to attack Trump about his boorish statements, he reminded her of her sullied past in attacking those who accused her husband.

        As has been now pointed out, these charges against Hillary were and are being made by the women who suffered Hillary’s wrath and are therefore, NOT hearsay.

      • You are correct that the stories predate Trump, but I wasn’t writing about Hillary’s past behavior, I was writing about Trumps’s present day behavior. Were the claims against her husband true; may be, may be not. From what information is avail, other that new media reporting, it appears that there was a lack of evidence supporting supporting the claims prior to Monica.. Broaddrick called rape, then later under oath said Clinton never touched her. Consequently, any opinions I might have are based solely on hearsay information.

        The issue is whether we can put our irrational fears aside and work together instead of allowing them to continue driving us further apart.

  • david Davidson,

    Calling Mexicans rapists is racists. Banning people of a specific religion is not upholding the 1st Amendment of the Constitution. Calling woman pigs, fat, ugly, etc. and identifying them specifically by their appearance is misogynistic. Encouraging your followers to push and swear at a young African American woman who is not doing anything but smiling and walking is disgusting and so terribly ugly. Trump telling his supporters to “take them out” and telling his supporters that he will pay their legal fees states very clearly that he knows what he is asking them to do is illegal.

    You may have your opinion on President Obama and Hillary Clinton or Al Sharpton or anyone but that is not what the opinion above is about. The above opinion is about Donald Trump’s behavior. Are you okay with his behavior? Are you excusing his behavior?

  • @ Shelly

    I don’t approve of a number of things the Donald says, but he has tapped into the anger and disgust many Americans feel for the divisive cancer of political correctness that is rotting this country from the inside out.

    The ANTI-Trump protesters are the cause of the problem, not the victim. They arrive with the specific intent of disrupting a peaceful rally and preventing those who have traveled miles to hear Trump speak from doing so. Do YOU, Shelly, approve of the protesters blocking entire highways in their efforts to subvert the free speech rights of the people who have come to hear Trump speak? May I suggest to you that not just Trump supporters, but huge swaths of the American people are sick of the thuggery of the far left. The supporters of Trump have had enough and are voting with their fists when confronted by this left wing violence. The left should not cry foul when they break the law AND attempt to thwart, through intimidation, those who wish to peaceably assemble and hear a political speech…their blood be on their own heads.

    • Political correctness? Since when is being polite and civil politically correct? I try to teach my kids to be polite and kind and to respect other people. I try to teach my children to not boast or lie or make things up or blame others for their own actions. I try to teach my children to not call people names or point out their physical imperfections or disabilities. Kids are bullied all the time because of gender, physical appearance, individuality, sexual identity, race, etc. We don’t need our leaders doing bullying people because of religion, race, gender, physical appearance, sexual identity, gender. It is disgusting. Donald Trump has tapped into racists and thugs by saying racist and violent things. Political protestors protest all the candidates but the only one you hear inciting violence is Donald Trump. This is America and it should be okay to protest. And if someone is protesting your rally peacefully then ask them to leave or have them removed peacefully. Don’t incite the crowd to violence. This is how a thug or dictator behaves. What exactly is your definition of political correctness?

    • david Davidson,

      And if by politically correct you mean not racist then I am all for being politically correct. And if by politically correct you mean not making offensive statements about people’s appearance, gender or abilities then I am all for being politically correct. And if being politically correct means being civil and respectful then I am all for being politically correct. Define exactly what you mean by the “divisive cancer of political correctness”.

    • David, did you watch CNN, when Trump said the following:

      “Sioux Center, Iowa (CNN) “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,”

      In addition to his narcissistic personality disorder, and xenophobic, misogynistic and hate-filled racist rhetoric, he is also crazy. Is this the type of person you want as our president?

  • A young girl walking through a crowd smiling is your definition of left wing violence? What? Are you saying she deserved to be pushed aggressively by grown men? A protestor walking out with police officers deserved to be sucker punched? What kind of America do you want david Davidson because this is scary if people are not allowed to protest. Protestors in America have blocked roads, staged sit ins, marched in the streets for years for various causes. This is not violent protest. This is protest. Punching someone in the face is violent. Pushing a teenage girl is violent.

    • @ Shelly

      “A young girl walking through a crowd smiling is your definition of left wing violence?”

      Really? Are you that disingenuous to suggest that Trump called off his rally in Chicago for fear of violence from “a young girl walking through a crowd smiling”? Can anything you say be taken seriously after such a ludicrous suggestion?

      Far from the “special pleading” examples you give, think of political correctness when the true racists of the Black Lives Matter movement (remember them calling for the killing of police officers) burst into a college library yelling and intimidating those who only wished to study, and the college apologizes to…the Black Lives Matter agitators!

      When high school seniors were sent home on Cinco de Mayo because they wore T-shirts with the American flag on it, think of political correctness.

      A Maine school was accused of discrimination because it initially wouldn’t allow a 12 year old “transgender” boy access to the girls bathroom…that’s political correctness. How about the feelings of the girls who use the bathroom, I guess when it comes to political correctness, their feelings don’t matter.

      When you see the travesty perpetrated on the Duke Lacrosse team, that is political correctness.

      When soldiers at Ft. Hood described Nidal Malik Hassan as a ticking time bomb, they did nothing for fear of being accused of profiling. It cost 13 soldiers, one of whom was pregnant, their lives. Similarly, when neighbors of the San Bernardino shooters, Farook and Tashfeen Malik, became suspicious of them, they said nothing because of the fear of being accused of racism. 14 people lost their lives and 22 were injured…because of political correctness.

      Zambians and Angolans starve when the politically correct Greenpeace organization stops shipments of genetically modified crops to these starving people. At least they don’t consume GM food…which is ok for the rest of the world to eat.

      These kinds of politically correct cases are legion, and they are not only stupid, they kill.

      • Mr. Davison,

        Did you read the whole story of the American Flag T-shirts. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-court-flag-protest-20150329-story.html Neither side was respectful of the others’ heritage. A year before when some students unfurled Mexico’s flag, some students chanted at them, “USA, USA, ” The t-shirts on Cinco de Mayo were a protest against the Mexican American students celebrating their heritage. It was a volatile situation. The district and families (PARENTS and students) in that school district should come together, problem solved, and found common ground and possibly try to celebrate their differences and their similarities. Instead, some of the parents in this situation have chosen to take it to court instead of trying to reach out and problem solve in their community.

        At a local middle school in San Juan Capistrano, when racial flyers were put in lockers, the school community came together and painted a mural on the cafeteria wall with the American and Mexican Flag on it. The quote in the mural states, ““Between individuals, as between nations, respect for another’s rights is peace.” Mexican President Benito Juarez

        Do you know any transgender students? They should be allowed to use the bathroom of their gender. Read the article, //www.thecapistranodispatch.com/a-call-for-equality-in-the-classroom/.

        What about all the mass shootings perpetrated by others in USA. Perhaps we should look at the bigger picture here and perhaps not allow people to have such easy access to automatic weapons.

        The Black Lifes Matter movement is peaceful. Individuals may act or say things that are violent.

        Political correctness is respect for people’s differences.

  • @ Shelly

    So you don’t have a problem with protesters breaking the law by blocking the highway?
    And no one said they are going to prevent protesting, your suggestion is simply hyperbole. However, protesters must respect others’ right to free speech as well and not attempt to thwart this right through intimidation. YOU don’t seem to have a problem with protesters breaking the law, do you believe those who wish to hear Donald Trump speak have a right to do so without being harassed?
    Far from protesting peacefully, listen to what this Arizona police officer had to say about the Trump rally in Tucson:

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/black-arizona-cops-pro-trump-anti-protester-video-goes-viral-i-felt-safe-with-trump-fans/

    For those who haven’t time to listen, this cop says, in no uncertain words, that it is the anti-Trump protesters who are the violent ones and the ones causing the trouble. He wonders why the media don’t report on this.
    The protesters are angry haters who wish to do all they can to disrupt a peaceful rally. Should Trump supports begin attending Hillary rallies, block the highways, curse, spit, and scream at her supporters? Is this what you want to occur?

  • david Davidson,

    Donald Trump should be able to rally peacefully. If protestors protest illegally than they should be fined, arrested or removed from the rally, peacefully. Donald Trump should not be inciting violence against anyone for protesting and then offering to pay their legal bills. People have protested Hilary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. The difference is that Hillary and Bernie do not tell their followers to hurt the protestors. Donald Trump has. But you choose to not actually address the racist, misogynistic, xenophobic statements that Donald Trump is getting a lot of attention for. What exactly does is the “divisive cancer of political correctness” and what specifically do you object to about political correctness or how do you define it.

    Your response to Joanna Clark’s opinion was like a child deflecting his or her bad behavior by blaming others. Donald Trump has been racist, misogynistic, xenophobic and he did not immediately denounce David Dukes or the KKK but blamed it on a bad ear piece. If you can overlook these things that is your right. Vote for anyone you choose but you have not addressed anything Joanna Clark stated above.

  • @ Shelly

    I am pleased to learn that you appear to agree that protesting illegally, ie., preventing others from exercising their free speech rights to hear the speaker of their choice or blocking the road or entrance to venues one wishes to attend, or in the one case, the man who rushed Trump in an attempt to take the microphone away, should be expelled from any such rally. We have a basis of agreement and I would fully endorse any protesters of Hillary or Bernie who do the things the anti-Trump protesters ARE CURRENTLY doing at his rallies, be tossed out or arrested. As for who is is precipitating the violence, check out the Arizona cop who went to a rally in Tucson to investigate who was most at fault: Brandon Tatum, who The Washington Post confirmed is an officer in the Tucson Police Department, said in the video that he attended Trump’s rally as a civilian to see what the candidate had to say. Tatum said that he felt “extremely uncomfortable” with the protesters’ language, signs and behavior, calling them “evil.”

    “They’re just outrageously screaming and yelling and not really saying anything but hateful slurs, calling him a racist, calling people that were involved racists and haters and the funny thing is these people were some of the most hateful, evil people I’ve ever seen,” he said.

    Do you, Shelly, believe George Soros has any responsibility for the violence since it is he who funds it (Move on.org), and his executive director, Ilya Sheyman, bragged about how they were able to shut down the free speech of Trump and his supporters in Chicago and even used this example for Moveon’s fund raising?

    In Sharly Attkisson’s article in which she fact checks the media on Trump, she notes: “Is it fair for the press to call Trump (and, by implication, 84% of Americans) “anti-immigrant” for opposing illegal immigration, while supporting legal immigration?”

    Furthermore, in regard to crime she says: “On these points, Trump’s statements are factually indisputable, according to the Obama administration’s own figures. For example, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) reported that 2013 and 2014 alone, it set loose in the U.S. more than 66,500 illegal immigrant criminals who had been arrested in the U.S. for additional crimes and had over 166,000 convictions among them: 30,000 for drunk or drugged driving, 414 kidnappings, 11,301 rapes or other types of assaults and 395 homicides. In a fairly short time period, ICE reported 2,423 of those illegal immigrant criminals had already been rearrested and convicted of new crimes in the U.S.– including felonies and gang offenses. These are difficult statistics to face, but there’s no reason to doubt the Obama administration’s veracity in providing them. Yet, the news media do not accuse the Obama administration of being “anti-immigrant,” “racist,” “anti-Hispanic” or “anti-Mexican” in reporting these statistics. Is it fair to use those pejoratives against Trump when he refers to the trends?”

    As for opinion of my response to Clark’s article, I responded to the selective outrage, the typical leftist claims of racism and bigotry while ignoring the greater evils of the left. Have you or Clark ever denounced Hillary’s attempts to destroy the women her husband raped and abused? Attempts which included in at least one case, threatening the woman’s children by telling her “we know where your children go to school”? That is what these women said occurred to them and as we’ve heard from Hillary, women are to be believed on these issues (unless of course, they are about women Hillary’s husband has abused).

    Did you or Clark express any outrage about the Occupy Wall Street movement where these leftists trashed the city and raped and abused their fellow female participants? Or, does a rude comment by Trump trump these abuses by leftists?

    If you can overlook these things, that is your right. You can choose to vote for a lying crook who put the nation’s national security at risk (and should be in jail for it), allowed four men to die needlessly in Benghazi, and then lied to their families and the nation about it, or the guy you’ve been making race baiting statements about. It is a non decision.

  • Mr. Davison,

    Again, your deflecting. Donald Trump called the majority of Mexican immigrants rapists and murders and criminals when in fact the overwhelming majority of immigrants do not commit rape, murder or theft or any other crime other than coming into our country. It is racist. Banning Muslims from entering our country is assuming that they are all terrorists when in fact the majority of Muslims are peaceful people.

    Telling people to harm protestors is inciting violence. Protestors yell and often make unpleasant, rude statements and gestures, but sucker punching and pushing them and harming them physically is not okay. It is assault. You have brought one person’s view of the Trump rallies. This is one person’s opinion and it is in Arizona, one place. We have seen many incidents of Trump inciting violence against any protestors because his rallies get a lot of media attention.

    When criticized by a woman, Donald Trump makes derogatory comments about their appearance. He says and implies disgusting things. When challenged and questioned or criticized by a woman or anyone he makes comments about their appearance. You may be okay with this.

    Defend him all you want but his comments and his behavior to me are disgusting. So support him and defend him and deflect all you want. He is on the record as saying all of this. We have all heard him say all of this now and throughout the years. And it is not taken out of context.

    The statements you make about Hillary Clinton may be true and may not be true, but they have nothing to do with the disgusting things that Donald Trump chooses to say in public and how he behaves.

  • Mr. Davison,
    You have no idea if Ms. Clarke is left or right or whatever. She was commenting on Trumps statements.

    • @ Shelly

      “You have no idea if Ms. Clarke is left or right or whatever. She was commenting on Trumps statements.”

      I don’t care if she is left or right, I am concerned with the selective outrage, particularly when it is the anti-Trump protesters who are causing the problem. There was no mention of this in her article. She could have at least responded with a pox on both parties.

      • Mr. Davison,
        You seem to care about where she stands because in almost all your comments you address the “left”. This opinion was about Trump and his racist followers. Trump makes racist, xenophobic and misogynistic statements all the time. It is on camera and not taken out of context. David Dukes who is a member of the KKK is one of his supporters as are many people who are white supremacists. This is what Joanna Clark commented on. Are you defending Trump for his racist, xenophobic and misogynistic opinions and statements and his white supremacists supporters?

  • Mr. Davison,
    I responded to both of your comments but they have yet to be posted but I will say that this nation elected President George W. Bush after he and his administration lied and distorted the reasons of taking us to war with Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack and had nothing to do with al quaeda and had no weapons of mass destruction. But President Bush and his administration told us over and over and over again that Iraq did. This is a fact and we all know this to be a fact. This cost thousands if not millions of lives in that war, and because of ISIS which because of the instability of the area was created.

    There have been several committee’s convened by the Republican Senate about Benghazi. Mistakes were made but these committees did not find that Hillary Clinton or President Obama lied to the American people.

    President Bush and his administration were warned about terrorists threats right before 9/11.

    • President Bush and his administration may have been warned, but I do not blame him for the actions of the al quaeda 9/11 terrorists.

  • Mr. Davison,

    So essentially what you are saying is that Ms. Clark cannot comment on what racist things Trump says unless she comments on every thing that you view to be racist or wrong with everyone. I know plenty of people on the right and left who agree whole heartedly with Ms. Clark’s opinion above. It has nothing to do with which side of the aisle you are on. It has to do with Trumps statements and actions. His statements and actions have been racist, xenophobic and misogynistic. You can vote for him and support him and defend him by deflecting. That is your right.

  • @ Shelly

    “I responded to both of your comments but they have yet to be posted…”

    I understand, I’m experiencing the same trouble.

    “This is a fact and we all know this to be a fact.”

    We, meaning those who dwell only in left-wing news sites and/or blogs.

    A fact is something that is empirically verifiable and this charge is far from that, indeed, it is almost certainly false. If the Bush administration lied, he certainly had a lot of company.

    In 1998 President Clinton stated that Saddam had WMD, a sentiment echoed by his Secretary of State, Madeline Albright, AND his National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger. Democratic Senators, including Tom Daschle and John Kerry, urged Clinton to take action against this threat from Iraq’s WMD and House Intelligence Committee member, Nancy (you’ve got to pass the Bill to find out what’s in it) Pelosi, stated that Saddam Hussein was developing WMD. When Bush took office, Democratic Senator, Carl Levin, reaffirmed for him what he had told Clinton years earlier, that Saddam was building WMD.

    In 2002, then Senator Hillary Clinton stated “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical- and biological-weapons stock, his missile-delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members.”

    Then there is Bush’s CIA director, George Tenet, who stated that it was a “slam dunk” that Saddam possessed WMD and recall that Tenet had the backing of all 15 agencies involved in gathering intelligence for the US. Furthermore, the intelligence agencies of Britain, France, Germany, Russia, China, and Israel all agreed that Saddam was in possession of WMD.

    A marine intelligence officer personally told me that members of his community felt certain that Saddam had moved his WMD out of the country prior to our invasion. In addition, Robert Gates, the Secretary of Defense for both George Bush and Obama, in his book DUTY, stated unambiguously, that Bush believed Saddam had WMD. The fact that they were not found is NOT to be deduced that Bush lied.

    As for Hillary Clinton, we know for absolute certain that she lied about Benghazi, in fact so did Obama…for two weeks! The committees did in fact find Hillary lied. They found the e-mails sent to her daughter and to the Egyptian Prime Minister and the call to the President of Libya while the attack was still in progress. In these communiques, Hillary stated it was a terrorist attack even mentioning the name of the responsible group…no mention of a video or demonstration (because there was NO demonstration in Benghazi). Here is a link to the C-SPAN clip of the Hillary interview:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/10/22/rep_jim_jordan_vs_hillary_clinton_why_did_you_tell_egyptians_benghazi_was_a_terrorist_attack_but_not_the_american_people.html

    Also, after an attempt on the life of the British Ambassador in which his body guard was killed, the other nations and NGOs all pulled out of Benghazi because it was too dangerous. The only Americans pulled out by Clinton was the Ambassador’s security force…leaving him naked and exposed to terror. When attacked, Clinton and Obama failed to send our people support leaving them to fend for themselves (have you seen 13 Hours?). Their behavior is disgraceful and an outrage. Is this what our troops can expect from a Hillary presidency, to be left to fend for themselves?
    Ambassador Chris Stevens had asked for more security but Obama had a political narrative to uphold, besides, he was probably too busy golfing; and Hillary was apparently unconcerned as well. The deaths of our four Americans are on their heads.

    “President Bush and his administration were warned about terrorists threats right before 9/11.”

    He was warned and it happened on his watch so yes, he bears much of the blame. But Bill Clinton had at least two, perhaps three golden opportunities to get OBL and he blew it each time. The president of Sudan offered to hand OBL over to us but Bill Clinton declined. Later, we had positive ID on OBL and he was in our gun sites, but Clinton’s National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, couldn’t get Bill to make a decision (by phone), he was probably philandering or abusing somebody’s wife…one must have his priorities.

    • David, in regards to you arguments that Saddam had WMD, please define WMD.

      • @ Joanna

        WMD, weapons of mass destruction…chemical, biological, nuclear.

        I haven’t argued that Saddam had WMD; I provided the quotes and timeline of those quotes demonstrating that both political parties, the intelligence community, and foreign intelligence communities believed Saddam had WMD. George Bush did not lie to the American people about this. Robert Gates, in his book Duty, states this also. I also mentioned that a marine intelligence officer personally told me that members of his community believed that Saddam moved his WMD prior to the invasion. Although he would know better than I, I haven’t seen any evidence to support this…Syria?

      • David, thank you for your clarification. However, in regards to your claim ” George Bush did not lie to the American people about this.”

        Quoting CNN (January 24, 2008): “President Bush and his top aides publicly made 935 false statements about the security risk posed by Iraq in the two years following September 11, 2001, according to a study released Tuesday by two nonprofit journalism groups.

        “Bush and seven top officials — including Vice President Dick Cheney, former Secretary of State Colin Powell and then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice — made 935 false statements about Iraq during those two years.

        Addressing the Veterans of Foreign Wars on August 26, 2002, Vice-President Cheney said, “There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.”

        Hermann Goering and Joseph Goebbels made it clear during the Nuremberg Trials, “Tell a big lie over and over again until it becomes the truth.” In short, “the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003.”

        In the months following 9/11 and leading up to the Iraq war the “Joint Task-Force on Iraq (JTFI) WAS TRYING TO FIND EVIDENCE THAT WOULD BACK UP THE WHITE HOUSE’S ASSERTION THAT IRAQ WAS A WMD DANGER.” (Emphasis added). Why would they be trying to find evidence if the White House already new Iraq had WMD.

        The JTFI found nothing. “It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al Qaeda,” the report reads, citing multiple government reports, including those by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the 9/11 Commission and the multinational Iraq Survey Group, which reported that Hussein had suspended Iraq’s nuclear program in 1991 and made little effort to revive it.”

        “In 2002, Scott Ritter stated that, by 1998, 90–95% of Iraq’s nuclear, biological and chemical capabilities, and long-range ballistic missiles capable of delivering such weapons, had been verified as destroyed. ” — Lynch, Colum (July 27, 2000). “Ex-U.N. Inspector Ritter to Tour Iraq, Make Documentary”. The Washington Post: A18. Archived from the original ( – Scholar search) on February 21, 2006.

        “During the 2002–2003 build-up to war Ritter maintained that there was no credible evidence that Iraq had reconstituted a significant WMD capability.” — Calabresi, Massimo (September 12, 2002). “Exclusive: Scott Ritter in His Own Words”. Time Magazine.

        In the end, the Joint Task Force on Iraq (JTFI) found “There was no intelligence to find on Saddam’s WMDs because the weapons did not exist.” — David Corn “What Valerie Plame Really Did at the CIA” TheNation (September 6, 2006)

        In other words, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice lied.

      • @ Joanna Clark

        In regards to YOUR claim: “In other words, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice lied.”

        Why the silence on the statements I provided by Democrat leaders who unequivocally stated their belief that Saddam had WMD? If Bush lied, does that mean both Bill and Hillary Clinton lied since they both claimed Saddam had WMD? Does that mean Madeline Albright also lied? John Kerry, Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, and Nancy Pelosi, all Democrats who stated Saddam had WMD, all liars?

        Here is Hans Blix, chief weapons inspector: “As he explained Wednesday night, part of the problem was that he himself had believed the weapons probably existed. “I’m not here to have gut feelings,” he said. “But yes, in December 2002 I thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.” Blix continues: “…why did the U.S. invasion of Iraq seem in retrospect such a foreordained action? Partly it was because, despite the lack of evidence for REMAINING WMDs, the BUSH ADMINISTRATION CONTINUED TO BELIEVE IN THEM, Blix said. Although he places some of the blame on a failure of U.S. intelligence processes – the Pentagon relied too much on its own “silo” of sources rather than more heavily vetted intelligence from the CIA and the State Department…”

        CIA director, George Tenet, told Bush that it was a “slam dunk” that Saddam had WMD and he had the backing of all 15 intelligence agencies. Had Bush ignored all these intelligence agencies, the intelligence agencies from the other foreign states, and the statements by those in the Democrat party including Bill Clinton, and had Saddam used WMD against America or our allies, can you imagine the horror, or the abuse heaped upon the president who let it happen?

        You need to answer those questions before you assert President Bush lied unless you are willing to entertain the idea that everybody lied. I think it is a fair assessment to say that Bush acted too quickly, that he should have allowed the inspections to reach a conclusion, but recall that this effort had been an on again, off again affair for more than a decade AND the inspectors had failed to find Saddam’s nuclear weapons program, discovering it only AFTER the 1991 Gulf War.

        “Amanpour brought up how Blix’s credibility as an inspector had been attacked by Vice President Dick Cheney, among others, for his failure as head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to detect Iraq’s advanced nuclear weapons program, discovered only after the end of the 1991 Gulf War. Blix accepted responsibility for that failure, and said that the system of inspections had been vastly improved since then.”

        Regarding the report you cited, here from wiki on one of the organizations (CPI) that reported: In relation to a story in February 1996, CPI was characterized as a “liberal group” by The Los Angeles Times and The New York Times.[11][12] Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, a progressive media watchdog, has described CPI as “progressive.”[9] The Center describes itself as “strictly nonpartisan.”[8]
        The second group listed is nothing more than a legal defense endowment for the first group. I’m not suggesting this automatically makes their report null and void, a report stands on its own merits regardless of the partisanship of the folks who write it. However, without reading the entire report myself, and in light of the overwhelming evidence that Bush acted in good faith and on what he believed, I am skeptical of the report.

        Unlike the congenital liars, Obama and Hillary, who have lied about a whole host of subjects, Bush did NOT lie about WMD.

      • David, I initially wrote about PRESENT DAY events relating to Trump’s narcissistic, misogynistic, xenophobic and “racial” remarks.

        The difference between the Clinton administrations remarks regarding Iraq and WMD, Clinton didn’t engage in preemptive military strikes to get rid of Saddam.

  • @ Shelly

    “This opinion was about Trump and his racist followers.”

    Trump appears to have millions of followers, that is a lot of people YOU are calling racist.
    So you have no problem with painting with a broad brush and accusing his supporters of racism? On what basis? Is this not another example of the typical liberal demonization of those with whom they disapprove? For all your talk about peace and being polite, you sure don’t hesitate on calling others, and large numbers of others, an ugly epithet. This is the attitude that is tearing this country apart.

    As to the T-shirts, news flash Shelly, this is AMERICA, not Mexico. Would it be wrong to salute the AMERICAN flag on St. Patrick’s Day? Should those of Irish decent become upset and should school districts ban students from wearing AMERICAN flag T-shirts on that day? Can students salute or wear an AMERICAN flag T-shirt during Ramadan, Yom Kippur, or during the celebration of Kwanzaa? What other ethnic or foreign national holidays should AMERICANS take a back seat to in their own country? Why must some, the politically correct, always be on the look out for opportunities to be offended? Why can’t the politically correct live and let live and stop demanding others conform to their views on life? Please elaborate on how you think Mexicans in Mexico would respond should those of foreign extract demand Mexican students not wear T-shirts with the Mexican flag on it.

    “Between individuals, as between nations, respect for another’s rights is peace.”

    Nice platitude, it would be nicer if YOU observed it since apparently you feel AMERICAN students, living in AMERICA, don’t have the right to wear AMERICAN flag T-shirts on any day they choose.

    “David Dukes who is a member of the KKK is one of his supporters…”

    I suppose it doesn’t matter to you that Trump has distanced himself from Duke nor that Obama has as his advisor, Duke’s opposite, Al (race huckster) Sharpton, or that Hillary willingly received millions from the Saudis who don’t even let women drive.

    “The Black Lifes Matter movement is peaceful.”

    Yeah, apart from the group’s history of riots, vandalism, looting, arson, random shootings, shootings targeting police, burned out cars, rocks and bottles thrown at cops resulting in over 100 injuries, blocked highways, death chants, and at least one bomb plot, they’re pretty peaceful.

    “Political correctness is respect for people’s differences.”

    No it is not, not even close. It is about brow beating others to conform to the personal views held by the politically correct through intimidation, vandalism, group shaming, law suits, and preventing free speech. You are aware, are you not, that many comedians won’t even do a gig on a college campus for fear of running afoul of the PC police? Even the liberal commentator, Kirsten Powers, has written a book detailing the war on free speech by the far left.

    “Donald Trump called the majority of Mexican immigrants rapists and murders and criminals…”

    Is it lack of information on your part or a lack of honesty that you make this false accusation? Trump, who is seldom cautious in his words, spoke specifically of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, not immigration in general, and when he spoke of criminal acts, he clarified that he meant all immigrants, not just Mexicans. You do know that Donald is the son of an immigrant right? That all three of the women who have been his wives are immigrants and that his children are therefore children of an immigrant. Like 84% of Americans, he is against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, not immigration or immigrants per se. I disagree with the language he uses but he is spot on when it comes to ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, it must end and illegals deported (easier said than done).

    “…to have such easy access to automatic weapons.”

    Who has used an AUTOMATIC weapon? AUTOMATIC weapons are illegal (except for collectors) and extremely difficult to obtain.

    “What about all the mass shootings perpetrated by others in USA.”

    Some of these are abetted by the foolishness of political correctness as well. If somebody is determined to shoot lots of people, where do they go? To gun free zones where they can be assured those around them will be unarmed. No word from you on the two examples I gave where political correctness prevented an effective response to the thugs who murdered some 27 people and injured more than a score more? Political correctness kills.

    I repeat, political correctness is a cancer rotting this country from the inside out. Trump may be a narcissistic blowhard, but unlike Obama, he has America’s interests at heart and he isn’t the crook and liar Hillary is.

  • After reading the above 20 comments, it seems that a “throw it up against the wall and see if it sticks” approach is being used by one side here. Is any answer specific enough to bring a focused reply/discussion by Shelly?

    Shelly seems to be refighting every battle the Left has dreamed up, alleged, or pined for in the last 20 years ……… *Thank goodness she hasn’t discovered Israel on the map yet.*

  • Mr. Davison,
    President Clinton didn’t go to war with Iraq based on faulty intelligence information about wmds because Iraq had no wmds. There were no wmds and actually president Bush had bin Laden but chose to go to war with Hussein who had nothing to do with 9/11 instead. So now thousands are dead and a new enemy has been created out of the chaos caused by the Bush administration. You can keep repeating Bush/Cheney wmd faulty story but no intelligence or proof supports you except probably Fox news and other right biased news outlets. And you can keep bringing up Benghazi but the Republican investigations have proved that secretary Clinton and president Obama did not lie.

    I did not say that kids should not be allowed to wear American flag shirts. Why don’t you reread what I wrote. I said that the situation should have been handled better in the beginning in order to foster mutual respect. Mexican Americans should be able to celebrate their heritage. This is America isn’t it?

    AL Sharpton has fought for the rights of African Americans. Unfortunately some our nations industries and some of our nation’s wealth was built by slave labor. Unfortunately in the South there were Jim Crow laws. Unfortunately African Americans have had/have to face discrimination in school, getting a job, walking down the street, driving their cars, etc. Unfortunately racism still exists in this nation.

    Donald Trump stated that Mexican immigrants were rapists and criminals. He said it and did not denounce what he himself said. Illegal immigrants from Mexico are not a bunch of rapists. Most immigrants work hard and contribute more than they take. Do the actual math. But some in America need a bad guy to rally against so Trump is using immigrants and Muslims. People who do not read or just read biased writers and websites rally around Trump.

    • @ Shelly

      “…and actually president Bush had bin Laden…”

      Please describe for me just when Bush had OBL? Perhaps you’re confusing Bush with Bill Clinton who had two, maybe three golden opportunities to get OBL…BEFORE 9/11!

      “…and a new enemy has been created out of the chaos caused by the Bush administration…”

      Wrong again! Bush left Obama a stable Iraq as all acknowledge. When Obama foolishly, and against Bush’s advice, withdrew all troops from Iraq, the result was ISIS. See Bush presciently warning what would happen if troops were withdrawn too soon, and he was 100% right:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53S5TKKsAc8

      “…but no intelligence or proof supports you…”

      I hope that now that you have seen the quotes from both Clintons, Sandy Berger, Madeline Albright, senators Tom Daschle, John Kerry, Carl Levin, House speaker Pelosi, etc. etc. you will acknowledge that Bush absolutely did not lie to the American people about WMD…that is a leftist smear.

      “People who do not read or just read biased writers and websites rally around Trump.”

      You, Shelly, just can’t help painting with a broad brush and this is symptomatic of what is wrong with the far left and political correctness. While chanting love and respect, the far left does exactly the opposite.

      “So support him and defend him and deflect all you want.”

      I support Donald Trump as a fellow American unfairly attacked by the far left after moveon.org organized protests specifically intended to prevent Trump and his supporters from peacefully enjoying a rally. It is just part of the thuggery of the left that they precipitate these incidents and then cry foul when violence erupts. Trump was my least favorite Republican candidate but the intimidation of the left from groups like moveon.org and the demonization of Trump from folks like yourself are inexorably moving me toward the Trump camp. I’m not there yet but if it comes to voting between a socialist or a crook and a liar who should be in jail, and the narcissistic blowhard Trump, I will enthusiastically vote for Trump…and your political correctness is helping make that decision easier.

      • David, bin Laden was cornered in the area known as Tora Bora. He was allowed to escape because of shear stupidity on the part of the Bush administration.

        How bin Laden Escaped
        http://foreignpolicy.com/2009/12/11/how-osama-bin-laden-escaped-2/

        The Account of How We Nearly Caught Osama bin Laden in 2001
        https://newrepublic.com/article/72086/the-battle-tora-bora

        As for President Obama pulling troops out of Iraq, do you understand what a “Status of Forces Agreement” (SOFA) is? George Bush could not get the new Shiite government to sign one, nor could President Obama get Iraq to agree to a SOFA. Both Bush and President Obama were basically told to get out.

        Saddam was a secular Sunni. The new government leadership were Shiite. The Sunni and Shiite have been at war with each other for more than

      • David, bin Laden was cornered in the area known as Tora Bora. He was allowed to escape because of shear stupidity on the part of the Bush administration.

        How bin Laden Escaped
        http://foreignpolicy.com/2009/12/11/how-osama-bin-laden-escaped-2/

        The Account of How We Nearly Caught Osama bin Laden in 2001
        https://newrepublic.com/article/72086/the-battle-tora-bora

        As for President Obama pulling troops out of Iraq, do you understand what a “Status of Forces Agreement” (SOFA) is? George Bush could not get the new Shia government to sign one, nor could President Obama get the Shia to sign off on a SOFA. Both Bush and President Obama were basically told to get out.

        Saddam was a Sunni. The new government leadership are Shia.

        The great majority of the world’s more than 1.5 billion Muslims are Sunnis. In the Middle East, Sunnis make up 85 to 90% or more of the population. Shia constitute about 10% of all Muslims, and globally their population is estimated at between 154 and 200 million.

        The Sunni and Shia differ in doctrine, ritual, law, theology and religious organisation.Their differences have produced numerous conflicts throughout the Middle East from Lebanon and Syria to Iraq and Pakistan; emphasis on the sectarian divide tears communities apart.

        The Shia were treated poorly under Saddam. With the aid of the Bush, administration,the Shia took control of the Iraqi government, and they sought revenge against the Sunni, and now we have ISIL, Sunni radicalized extremists.

        If you would like to learn more about the Middle East, I am currently hosting a course titled “Turning Points in Middle-East History.

      • @David,
        The Bush Administration had no end plan or plan at all. They hurriedly rushed us to war based on faulty intelligence information that they could and should have easily verified to be false. They knowingly lied to the American people about the link between al Quaeda and Hussein. Thousands of Americans were killed. Thousands of innocent citizens were killed. The region is in upheaval. Yes, hindsight is 20/20 but a little foresight or just plan sight on the Bush Administrations part would have prevented these tragedies.

  • Mr. Davison,
    There are many people who support Trump who are not be racist. But there are many people who support him that are racist. And they come right out and openly admit that they are racist. Are you denying this?

  • Mr. Davison,
    You denounce the protesters at Trump rallies and you defend kids who disrespected kids celebrating their Mexican heritage. Just because they celebrated Cinco De mayo doesn’t mean that they do not celebrate the 4th of July. Wearing the t shirts occurred the second year after an incident that took place the previous year. Kids felt disrespected. Teach kids to respect other cultures and our mixed history and there would have been no fear of violence between the two cultures at the school. Parents students school administrators could have handled this situation better.

  • Mr. Davison,
    The San Bernardino incident was commited by terrorists. The Oklahoma City bombing where hundreds of Americans were killed was committed by terrorists. So how exactly should we racially or religiously profile these people? And if we do this to different groups of people because a couple people in these groups behave heniously will we still be America? Who gets to choose which groups should have their civil rights taken away from them simply because they look a certain way or pray a certain way?

    So who exactly gets to chose if something is hurtful or offensive? The person calling out the name or the person being called the name?

    And actually the Black lives matter movement is peaceful

  • I meant semi automatic assault weapon. Sorry

  • @ Shelly

    “There are many people who support Trump who are not be racist.”

    Then why did you tar and feather them ALL in your statement? You called Trump’s supporters racist.

    “And they come right out and openly admit that they are racist.”

    Horse manure! And still no word from you on our president employing the chief racist, Al Sharpton, guess that’s ok by you because his racism is against whites. Race relations have tanked during this president’s administration and he is responsible for much of it. Hillary promises to continue in his footsteps…a third Obama presidency.

    “AL Sharpton has fought for the rights of African Americans.”

    Yeah, and David Duke fights for the rights of whites…two peas in an opposite pod but you only seem to find fault in one of them.

    I defend the right of Americans to fly the flag of America or wear a T-shirt with the flag on it any time any where they choose, in THIS country. Do YOU have a problem with Americans flying the American flag in America? What do you think the Mexican response would be if foreigners living in Mexico demanded that Mexican students not wear T-shirts with the Mexican flag on it? Is there no room for sensitivity to American sentiments?

    “Kids felt disrespected.”

    Americans feel disrespected…in their own country, when the politically correct attempt to take their rights away. This is what liberals do, they can’t leave well enough alone but insist we live and think like they do or face demonization.

    “…you can keep bringing up Benghazi but the Republican investigations have proved that secretary Clinton and president Obama did not lie.”

    So you didn’t watch the C-SPAN piece I posted where they brought up the e-mails Hillary sent to her daughter and the Prime Minister and the call to the Libyan President on the night of the attack? Are you pretending these e-mails weren’t sent, e-mails where she acknowledged Benghazi was a terrorist attack and then went on television and lied to the American people telling them it was about a video? What about her lying to the families of our slain Americans?

    As far as the Iraq war and WMD, you are sadly misinformed. See these quotes on the issue from Democrats including those I mentioned in my post above, or you can ignore them as you apparently did the C-SPAN link:

    http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm

    Or here is the quote from Hillary that I addressed above:

    “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members…

    It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well, effects American security.

    This is a very difficult vote, this is probably the hardest decision I’ve ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should be hard, but I cast it with conviction.”

    Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
    Addressing the US Senate
    October 10, 2002

    “No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.”

    Madeleine Albright, President Clinton’s Secretary of State
    Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
    February 18, 1998

    Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation’s wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them.”

    President Clinton
    State of the Union address
    January 27, 1998

    “People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons.”

    Former President Clinton
    During an interview on CNN’s “Larry King Live”
    July 22, 2003

    “Imagine the consequences if Saddam fails to comply and we fail to act. Saddam will be emboldened, believing the international community has lost its will. He will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. And some day, some way, I am certain, he will use that arsenal again, as he has ten times since 1983.”

    Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s National Security Advisor
    Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
    February 18, 1998

    Here is the website these quotes come from, there are many more:

    http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html

    Here is another site you can view quotes on the issue, quotes that indicate the Democrats felt Saddam had WMD:

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mostert/040816

    I could go on and provide many more links and quotes but if you’re not interested in facts or truth but wish to cling to the narrative liberals have developed AFTER the war started, that is your affair.

    “Unfortunately racism still exists in this nation.”

    We’ve come a long way and it is people like yourself and the politically correct who wish to keep picking that scab that makes this wound stay open.

    “People who do not read or just read biased writers and websites”

    Well there’s the pot calling the kettle black. You can’t even be bothered to view the C-SPAN video demonstrating Hillary is a liar. And why do you assume Trump’s supporters can’t read? No bias or arrogance there, right? They are probably just a bunch of hicks and bumpkins, is that what you’re saying?

    • David, who speaks for all those dark-skinned people that our white-skinned ancestors up-rooted from their native lands and enslaved here. How about the 100-million native Northern, Central and Southern Americans that our ancestors either killed (with their germs, guns and steel) or raped as they stole the land they had lived on for 13,000 to perhaps more that 33,000 years.

      We complain about Muslims who try to force their religious beliefs on others, killing them if they don’t accept Islam. Were our so-called Christian ancestors any different? They forced their beliefs on the native Americans, and in many cases were just as brutal.

      Duke is, or was, a member of the KKK. The KKK was not a non-violent organization. They killed hundreds, if not thousands, of our fellow humans simply because they were different than us in appearance.

      How about the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment? You know, that infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service studying the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African-American men in Alabama under the auspices of receiving free health care from the United States government. Who speaks for them, David.

      Given how we white people have ensalved them, marginalized them, used them in human experimentation, etc, etc, etc, I think they have as much right, if not more, to peacefully protest than David Duke and his ilk.

      • @ Joanna Clark

        “…allowed to escape because of shear stupidity on the part of the Bush administration.”

        Did you read the articles you posted, or simply base your conclusion on the titles? Please direct the reader to where in the article it suggests the Bush administration was “stupid”? Had our doctrine been different in Tora Bora and had our forces done exactly what the articles suggest, would we have gotten OBL? Perhaps. Hindsight is usually 20/20 and the Monday morning quarterback can always point out what should have been done.
        Was the policy US forces followed “shear stupidity”, ie., General Tommy Franks is an idiot? I don’t think you can draw that conclusion. I think the best one could say is that a policy that attempts to limit the size of the footprint should NOT be inflexible but rather a guideline. That said, I would agree that we should have sent more troops. I would recommend others read both articles

        Was the policy or plan Jimmy Carter implemented in rescuing our hostages shear stupidity? I don’t think so but he could have ensured our equipment was better prepared for a desert sand environment. The consequences for that failed mission were far greater than the failure to get OBL.

        Regarding the SOFA, Bush worked very hard to get an agreement but in the limited time he had available, he was only successful in delaying the troop withdrawal, but he gave Obama three years to cement the deal. Obama’s heart was never in it and his lack of interest lead to predictable results…our troops left. Just as President George Bush had foretold, terrorists filled the vacuum. The creation of ISIS can be laid at his and Hillary’s door just as the deaths in benghazi can be laid at their door. See Bush’s prediction here:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53S5TKKsAc8

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ukJlcpqEY

        “If you would like to learn more about the Middle East, I am currently hosting a course titled “Turning Points in Middle-East History.”

        As I find your analysis of the articles you posted, untrustworthy, I think I’ll pass.

      • There you ago, changing the submit again. I replied to you regarding WMD when you brought it up. Now I’ve asked a question regarding protests, and you jump back to WMD.

        I began this thread with “David, who speaks for all those dark-skinned people that our white-skinned ancestors up-rooted from their native lands and enslaved here. How about the 100-million native Northern, Central and Southern Americans that our ancestors either killed (with their germs, guns and steel) or raped as they stole the land they had lived on for 13,000 to perhaps more that 33,000 years.”

        How about answering my question, and I will go back to your WMD message and respond to your allegations and opinions.

  • @david,
    I will clarify. I believe kids should be able to wear American Flag shirts. I believe kids should be able to protest. I believe kids are taught tolerance and acceptances of our differences. I do not believe that at the school in the incident the kids were taught this at school or at home. Kids did not behave respectfully in the first incident or the second. There was a cultural divide. You can still be patriotic and respectful of other people’s culture. Or you can choose not to be. This is America. We are allowed to express and celebrate our different heritages because the majority of us are not native to this country. Most of us are immigrants.

    And whether Trump was talking about all immigrants, he specifically said, ““When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you,” Trump said. “They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

    “There is nothing to apologize for. Many bad people are pouring through. I’m not saying just Mexican, many bad people. All you have to do is ask the border patrol,” Trump

    Data does not back up what Trump is saying about illegal or legal immigrants.

  • @davison,

    I watched the cspan video. And it is basically a long statement by Rep. Jordan. It does not prove or reveal anything but an accusation.

    We went to war because the Bush administration lied to the American people.

    You seem to deal in absolutes. I do not.

    Comparing the KKK with Al Sharpton, wow. Are you saying white people are struggling and being discriminated against , lynched and profiled and they need the KKK? Really. African Americans have been and still are discriminated against.

    Racism exists in the USA. Watch and listen to Donald Trump and many, no David, not all but many of his supporters.

    Deny and support him all you want. And deflect and explain away his comments. That is your right.

    I don’t support him. I think he appeals to many people who are racist. That is my opinion.

    • @ Shelly

      Here, from the transcript of the C-SPAN video, let the unbiased make up their own minds:

      I want to show you a few things here. You’re looking at an e- mail you sent to your family.

      Here’s what you said at 11:00 that night, approximately one hour after you told the American people it was a video, you say to your family, “Two officers were killed today in Benghazi by an Al Qaeda- like group.”

      You tell — you tell the American people one thing, you tell your family an entirely different story.

      Also on the night of the attack, you had a call with the president of Libya. Here’s what you said to him.

      “Ansar al-Sharia is claiming responsibility.”

      It’s interesting; Mr. Khattala, one of the guys arrested in charge actually belonged to that group.

      And finally, most significantly, the next day, within 24 hours, you had a conversation with the Egyptian prime minister.

      You told him this, “We know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest.”

      Let me read that one more time.

      “We know,” not we think, not it might be, “we know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest.”

      State Department experts knew the truth. You knew the truth. But that’s not what the American people got. And again, the American people want to know why.

      Now, see Hillary here, joined by Obama, her co-liar, as the coffins of our four dead Americans arrive (long after she made the above statements). Hillary, about the 1 minute mark, blames the attack on an internet video and Obama doesn’t correct her. She later lied to the parents of the slain Americans telling them the same thing she said at the podium, that the attack was due to an internet video and that they were going after the video maker (making a video is a crime?).

      So the committee (not the Republican committee) DID FIND that both Hillary and Obama lied to the American people on this issue. It was important to them because their narrative was that they had taken care of the terrorist threat and this incident conflicted with that narrative and thus, threatened Obama’s reelection chances. When faced with truth and leveling with the American people or doing what was expedient to be reelected, Obama chose himself over America and Americans.

      So, Hillary said this to the Egyptian Prime Minister, “”We know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest.”

      And then went on the podium and television to tell the American people the attack was due to a protest over a video. If that is not the definition of lying, then lying hasn’t been defined.
      Hillary Clinton lied over Benghazi, lied to the families of our dead Americans, has lied repeatedly over her e-mail scandal where she put the nation’s national security at risk (and deserves to be in prison), and recall that the late and celebrated journalist, William Safire, referred to Hillary (before any of the above lies) as a congenital liar. Hillary is unfit for command.

      Again, let the unbiased observer view the C-SPAN video and see for themselves that Hillary is a liar.

      • @ Shelly

        I see my post did not include the video of Hillary Clinton lying to the American people as the coffins of our four dead Americans were brought in. Here is the link to the video, start at the one minute mark:

  • @David,
    President Clinton did not take us to war based on faulty, fake sources. President Bush did. When you put our soldiers and the civilians of another country in harms way it should be based on fact not a faulty intelligence information. Everyone involved now says the intelligence information was flawed and faulty. And even though the Bush Administration knew that there was no link or loyalty between al qaida and Hussein the Bush Administration kept saying there was. So the fact is President Clinton did not act on any wmd information but President Bush acted on what everyone knows to be a fake source.

    • @ Shelly

      “When you put our soldiers and the civilians of another country in harms way it should be based on fact not a faulty intelligence information. ”

      Wouldn’t it be nice if it was all that simple. The intelligence business isn’t always or even usually about Fact vs faulty intelligence. 20/20 hindsight is just that, and the Monday morning quarterbacks can give pointers on how we can do better next time, but they’ll never have perfect intelligence. It is not like the case in Benghazi where common sense informed any who cared, that when it is too dangerous for all the other nations and NGOs to stay, when the British Ambassador is almost assassinated, when your compound has already been attacked at least once, and when your own ambassador is calling for more security, you should either pull out with the rest of the nations or beef up your security. Obama and Hillary not only didn’t do either, they actually took security away from the ambassador. The blood of those four dead Americans is on Obama’s and Hillary’s hands. Hillary is not fit to be president.

      See here, from wiki, where faulty intelligence lead Bill Clinton to destroy a pharmaceutical factory in Khartoum in a missile attack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_pharmaceutical_factory

      These justifications for the bombing were disputed by the owners of the plant, the Sudanese government, and other governments. American officials later acknowledged “that the evidence that prompted President Clinton to order the missile strike on the Shifa plant was not as solid as first portrayed. Indeed, officials later said that there was no proof that the plant had been manufacturing or storing nerve gas, as initially suspected by the Americans, or had been linked to Osama bin Laden, who was a resident of Khartoum in the 1980s.”[3]

      Bill Clinton acted upon the intelligence he had…unfortunately, the intelligence was wrong. These things happen, no intelligence is perfect. In Iraq and with Bush, his CIA director, George Tenet, told him it was a slam dunk that Saddam had WMD and Tenet had the backing of all 15 US intelligence agencies.

      Following the unfortunate destruction of the pharmaceutical factory, Clinton was too gun shy to vigorously pursue OBL and he let him escape.

      • @David,
        It was that simple. It was absolutely that simple. There was no credible intelligence to support going to war with Iraq when we went to war with Iraq. The Bush Administration knew that there was absolutely no link between al Quaeda and Hussein but the Bush Administration told the American people over and over again that there was a link between Hussein and 9/11 to use the fear, anger and sadness to get behind a war with Iraq. The Bush Administration knew that the intelligence reports about the wmds were shakey. The Bush administration had absolutely no end plan in Iraq or no plan for what would occur after we invaded Iraq. Instead of concentrating on Afghanistan where bin Laden and al Quaeda actually were, the Bush administration concentrated our troops on Iraq. Iraq had no wmds. You may have someone who was in the military who believes what his Commander in chief, President Bush, told him at the time but there were no wmds in Iraq at the time and these fictional wmds had not been moved around.

    • David, Saddam was a secular Sunni. Al Qaeda was, and is, comprised of Islamic fundamentalists. Saddam would never have supported them because he would have been their first target if he had given them the capability to take on his Republican guard or military forces.

  • @ Shelly

    “Data does not back up what Trump is saying about illegal or legal immigrants.”

    I’ve already provided for you the data that does demonstrate this, and that data was from Obama’s own administration. Remember this?

    Furthermore, in regard to crime she says: “On these points, Trump’s statements are factually indisputable, according to the Obama administration’s own figures. For example, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) reported that 2013 and 2014 alone, it set loose in the U.S. more than 66,500 illegal immigrant criminals who had been arrested in the U.S. for additional crimes and had over 166,000 convictions among them: 30,000 for drunk or drugged driving, 414 kidnappings, 11,301 rapes or other types of assaults and 395 homicides. In a fairly short time period, ICE reported 2,423 of those illegal immigrant criminals had already been rearrested and convicted of new crimes in the U.S.– including felonies and gang offenses. These are difficult statistics to face, but there’s no reason to doubt the Obama administration’s veracity in providing them. Yet, the news media do not accuse the Obama administration of being “anti-immigrant,” “racist,” “anti-Hispanic” or “anti-Mexican” in reporting these statistics. Is it fair to use those pejoratives against Trump when he refers to the trends?”

    The above are the most generous data, many other websites have much uglier statistics.

    I’m still curious as to how you think Mexicans in Mexico would view foreigners living in their country demanding that Mexican students NOT wear T-shirts with the Mexican flag on it.

  • @David,
    Several Republican committees did not find that anyone lied about Benghazi. And the Republican committees admitted that it was political. Mistakes were made in Benghazi and the Republican committee was not interested in how to rectify these mistakes. The committees were only interested in lambasting Hillary Clinton because they knew they would face her in this election.

    Illegal immigrants do not commit more crime then non immigrants.
    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07418825.2012.659200
    http://immigrationpolicy.org/special-reports/criminalization-immigration-united-states
    http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic1141175.files/Waters-Simes.Politics%20of%20Immigration%20and%20Crime.forthcoming%20chapter.pdf

    I don’t know what Mexico would do. Is that the point. I thought we were talking about the racial divide at a high school in America and the behavior of the students there. I know that in this country Americans should be able to celebrate our heritages. We are all immigrants except for Native Americans. Kids are taught how to treat other people. If kids choose to not respect others celebration of their heritage and protest others celebration and parents don’t stop it then that is a choice. You may see it as okay. I personally teach my children to be respectful of other people and their cultures. I try to teach my children that it is not a threat to them or an insult if people celebrate their culture. Mexican Americans are allowed to be proud of their Mexican heritage and their American heritage. People should be allowed to be proud of their histories and ancestors.

    • @ Shelly

      “There was no credible intelligence to support going to war with Iraq when we went to war with Iraq…”

      Repeating a lie over and over won’t make it true and what part of the CIA director, George Tenet’s statement “it’s a slam dunk that Saddam has WMD” is unclear to you? Do you think George Tenet lied to Bush when he made that statement?

      “This is why many of his supporters support him. Specifically for his racist, xenophobic and misogynistic rhetoric.”

      And your evidence for your statement is? It is simply what you are claiming and again, painting with a broad brush. Where is all of that “I try to teach my children to not boast or lie or make things up…”? You just made that claim up, it is a lie.
      What if I said “many” of Hillary’s supporters support her because she harassed the women who accused her husband of sexual abuse? And just what do you think of the sexual abuse Bill Clinton perpetrated on those women? Any comment on his misogyny?

      “I am subscribing his own behavior to himself.” And you are subscribing racist beliefs and intentions to “many of his supporters” without evidence. You are behaving like the typical leftist who immediately plays the race card and no evidence is necessary except for the party to fail to acquiesce to the intimidation by the left.

      “I will not vote for someone who makes things up and when called on the lies just shouts them louder.”

      So you will not be voting for the lying crook, Hillary Clinton, right?

      “Many of these people blame other people for the things that Donald Trumps says.”

      Apparently, that would be YOU since you tar and feather “many of his supporters” for things he has said.

      “…did not make Trump call for taking away people’s 1st amendment rights…”

      Whose 1st amendment rights has he said he was going to take away? What about HIS 1st amendment rights and the rights of his supporters to hear him speak? Initially, you seemed ok with the George Soros funded group, Moveon.org, in their attempt to prevent Trump from exercising his 1st amendment rights and the right of his supporters to peaceably gather and hear him speak? Any opinions from you on the left’s continued assaults on freedom of speech particularly on college campuses? Any thoughts on liberal commentator Kirsten Power’s book detailing the left’s silencing of free speech? When even liberals like her, Bill Maher, and numerous comedians are pointing this out, will the supporters of political correctness ever stop their intimidation? Ever support free speech for everyone including those with whom they disagree? Will you?

      “I don’t know what Mexico would do. Is that the point.” Well of course you don’t and your response was predictable because an honest answer would have undercut your narrative. Again, imagine a high school in Mexico, attended by a large number of Americans, allowing these Americans their sympathizers to permanently paint the American flag at the school next to the Mexican flag.
      I encourage immigrants to celebrate their heritage, but their celebration should not include preventing Americans from flying the American flag, wearing American flag T-shirts, or forcing students to say the Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish or any other language. If this country is worth immigrating to, then become an American when you arrive. It is really in poor taste when at protests or rallies, people advocate Americans change their policies and do so while flying the flag of a foreign country.

      Imagine such a situation should it occur in Mexico. Imagine if Hondurans or Panamanians flew their flags in Mexico while protesting against the treatment of their immigrants who enter Mexico illegally?

      Assuming you are an American citizen, and as hard as it may be for you, try to stand up for America and not automatically take the side of those who enter our country illegally, break our laws, or in the case of militant Islam, come to kill us. America and Americans have rights too.

  • @David,
    I have other posts pending in response to yours.

    But to take it back to the beginning, Donald Trump says racist, misogynist, and xenophobic stuff all the time. He has many followers that follow him specifically because he says this stuff. No, not all but many.

    You cannot blame his racist, misogynistic xenophobic comments and rhetoric on Pres. Obama, Hillary Clinton, or Al Sharpton. Donald Trump says it and he owns it and does not apologize for it.

    So you can deflect all you want but Donald Trump says racist, misogynistic and xenophobic stuff and it is no ones fault but his own!

  • @ Shelly

    “Donald Trump says racist…stuff all the time”

    And so does Black Lives Matter; and in addition to racist comments, they encourage the killing of police officers and occasionally, those who attend their protests carry it out. Businesses were looted and burned in Ferguson, many of them black owned businesses. But threatening the police and the killing of police officers by this group doesn’t seem to concern you. You’re more concerned that Trump makes asinine comments about a woman’s looks or points out the obvious regarding crimes committed by illegal aliens to be bothered with the killing of police officers.

    I don’t blame Trump’s foolish comments on Obama or Hillary or Sharpton, they just have MUCH bigger issues and Obama and Sharpton are racists as well.

    • The “Black Lives Matter” (BLM) movement began with the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter, in the summer of 2013, after the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. – Guynn, Jessica (March 4, 2015). “Meet the woman who coined #BlackLivesMatter”. USA Today.

      BLM became nationally recognized for its street demonstrations following the 2014 deaths Michael Brown, resulting in protests and unrest in Ferguson, and Eric Garner in New York City. —
      Elizabeth Day. “#BlackLivesMatter: the birth of a new civil rights movement”. the Guardian, 19 July 2015; “Black Lives Matter: How the events in Ferguson sparked a movement in America”. cbsnews.com. August 7, 2015.

      Has there been violence associated with BLM protests. Yes. In every group, there will always be the extremist who will commit acts of violence. But, this does not mean that the group, as a whole, is responsible.

      In 2015, Serena Williams expressed her support for Black Lives Matter, writing to BLM: “Keep it up. Don’t let those trolls stop you. We’ve been through so much for so many centuries, and we shall overcome this too.” – Williams, Serena “The Ball is in Your Court,” Wired, November 15, 2015. Could it be that Ms. Williams was talking about people like yourself, David, when she references “trolls.”

      I grew up in Pontiac, Michigan when all but the high school was segregated. “Blacks” were segregated to living on the south side of town, I lived on the north side of town. I didn’t really experience segregation until I joined the Navy in 1957, and I was sent to NATTC Norman, Oklahoma and NATTC Memphis, Tennessee for Avionics training. That was my first exposure to the real injustice directed towards people of color. They were forced to ride at the back of the bus, they had separate drinking fountains and restrooms, and they could be arrested, beaten and even killed for entering a “white’s only” establishment.

      In 1958, I was transferred to NOB Bermuda. After my southern experience with “people of color” discrimination, I felt like I was on a different planet. There was no divide between dark-skinned and white-skinned people. There was no stigma associated with a dark-skinned person falling in love and marrying a white-skinned person. That was a hanging offense here in the USA, at the time, but, alas, Bermuda had its dark side back then, as well. Those of Portuguese descent were the one’s discriminated against.

      I arrived back at NATTC Memphis, in June of 1958, for a six-year tour or duty. The civil rights movement was underway along with school desegregation. Hangings of dark-skinned people was on the way to becoming the norm.

      In your eyes, apparently, it is wrong to protest about the way you believe you are being marginalized in today’s society, while others are being killed simply because of the color of their skin. Blame others, who you deem lesser than you. Blame others instead of acknowledging that you might be part of today’s problem.

      As a race, and as I wrote in my letter, there is only one race — Homo sapiens sapiens. We just come in a variety of colors ranging from black to slightly off-white. We are a single race, though, with a great number of irrational prejudices and hatred towards anything we don’t understand. We can also include change, when it occurs too rapidly for us to assimilate into our daily lives, as yet another source of prejudice.

      It took us nearly 250,000 years from the time our earliest ancestor climbed down out-of-the trees and stood upright and Kitty Hawk. It took only 66 years from that eventful day at Kitty Hawk for us to walk on the moon. During those 66 years we split the atom, eradicated polio and a host of other diseases and largely ignored the Nazi murder of some six-million Jews, until after the fact, because of our human prejudices. And, lest we not forget, it only took a little more than 350 years for the Catholic Church to acknowledge that “it appears Galileo was right.” – Alan Cowell, “After 350 Years, Vatican Says Galileo Was Right: It Moves,” New York Times, October 31, 1992.

      The Bible teaches those who will listen to “Love your neighbor as yourself.” – Matthew 22:40.

      For Jesus, to love your neighbor as you love yourself was to practice justice towards your fellow human beings.

      We are one race – Homo sapiens sapiens. We are all descendants of a small band of dark-skinned men and woman who walked out of Africa some 60,000 to 103,000 years ago, and spread across the world, ever changing as we adapted to new environments. Today we may differ in nationality, ethnicity, color of our skin, abilities and disabilities, gender and sexual orientation, education and economic status, as well as political and religious persuasion, but we remain one race, able to trace our ancestry in our DNA back to our very beginnings.

      In essence, we are all brothers and sisters, and there should be no place for prejudice and hatred of others.

      And yet, sadly, hatred is all some know. They claim to be Christian, but in reality, they are just lost souls driven by hatred.

      Can you imagine a world where people loved each other this way? A world where “we all just get along.”

      • Joanna,
        Thanks you so much for sharing your story, perspective, wisdom, intelligence and humanity with us. It would be a better world.

      • @ Joanna Clark

        “Could it be that Ms. Williams was talking about people like yourself, David, when she references “trolls.”

        Yes, I think so. Those who foolishly support racist and violent protest groups find it inconvenient that there are those who will post videos and news articles of their racism and violence. See the previous links I’ve posted on this thread for BLM violence.
        Here is a street preacher denouncing the violence against the police by blacks at a BLM rally on a college campus, and he gets punched out.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IjgBdjH7RA

        “But, this does not mean that the group, as a whole, is responsible.”

        Wonderful sentiment, too bad Shelly and the far left don’t apply it to Trump’s supporters.

        “In your eyes, apparently, it is wrong to protest about the way you believe you are being marginalized in today’s society while others are being killed simply because of the color of their skin.”

        So you are fond of straw man arguments? Where have I said or suggested I am against peaceful protesting? Who TODAY, is being killed for the color of their skin?

        “Blame others, who you deem lesser than you. Blame others instead of acknowledging that you might be part of today’s problem.”

        And what have I said that would make you come to that conclusion? Because I don’t go along with the far left, the politically correct who wish to demonize and marginalize those with whom they disagree? Because I disagree with the thuggery of the PC police with all their micro aggressions non sense and safe rooms baloney? Because I point out the hypocrisy of the far left, that it is they who wish to prohibit all speech with which they disagree? See here, Kirsten Powers, liberal commentator on how the left is silencing free speech:

        http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/05/12/kirsten-powers-silencing-how-left-killing-free-speech

        Here is Bill Maher, no friend of conservatives: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/17/bill-maher-mocks-all-the-liberal-babies-that-protest-free-speech/

        http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-rants-again-about-pc-idiots-little-sht-who-lectured-seinfeld-about-comedy/

        Many comedians won’t take gigs on college campuses because of fear of falling afoul of the PC police:

        http://college.usatoday.com/2015/06/08/jerry-seinfeld-espn-college-campuses-politically-correct/

        As for the sins of the past, Nazi Germany and the soldiers of the empire of Japan perpetrated unspeakable horrors on subject populations, but the perpetrators are long gone. These people do not need to be constantly reminded of their forefather’s misdeeds…to have their faces rubbed in it constantly. So too with America and the misdeeds of our past. To continue to pick the scab of the injustices done the native and African Americans is to perpetuate only the pain. Those who do so, like the race hucksters whose chief aim is to enhance their own power, or the politically correct who desperately need to feel good about themselves, are the lion’s share of the problem. Race relations isn’t improved by searching for opportunities to be offended or finding “code words” in the most innocent speech or selective outrage at real breaches of the peace. We don’t need to forget the past, but we need not be prisoners of the past.

        “In essence, we are all brothers and sisters, and there should be no place for prejudice and hatred of others.”

        There shouldn’t be but there is and always has been and by stating the obvious, it doesn’t make it any less frequent.

        “Can you imagine a world where people loved each other this way?”

        I don’t have to…it WILL happen, just not this side of heaven.

      • @David,

        You keep deflecting and blaming others for Trump’s, who is running for President, racist, misogynistic, and xenophobic statements. WMD’s, Black Lifes Matter (and they actually, really do), Hillary, Al Sharpton, President Obama, the left, and me did not make Trump call for taking away people’s 1st amendment rights, objectify women, categorize a whole group of people as rapists, murders, criminals. WMD’s, Black Lifes Matter, Hillary, Al Shaprton, President Obama, the left and me did not cause Trump to call for violence against people who protest his rallies nor did they cause him to offer to pay for the defense of anyone who answers his call for violence. He says these things. He owns them. You are able to look past these things and support him. That is your right. You seem to feel the need to either deflect, justify or condone his comments. His racist, misogynistic and xenophobic statements are part of his platform. If you support him that is your right but supporting him also supports his racist, misogynistic and xenophobic platform because those are what he is offering to bring to the presidency. Trump owns and does not apologize for what he says. Either you agree with him or not. That is your right. I don’t agree with Trumps world view, his opinions, what he stands for, or his platform so I will not vote for him. You are supporting him and that is your right.

      • @David,
        We are supposed to learn from history. Did you not have history in school? Should we just not learn from or bring up history because some people may be offended by their history? Some things are so heinous that we all need to have our faces rubbed in them so they are never repeated.

        People bring up Hitler and the Japanese internment in regards to Trump’s rhetoric because it is eerily familiar. Sorry, David, but people do need to be reminded of these things in order to learn from them. These things were horrific.

        I am from a small town in Washington state where people still treat Native Americans like second class citizens. It is deplorable.

        Picking scabs? What? The child I fostered for a year was stopped two times by police officers for simply walking to the store. My sons have never been stopped once! Why was he stopped twice?

        I think you are out of touch with many people’s non-internet reality in this nation. You tube and the internet can cater to any “reality” you seek to believe. But living with, working with, talking to people who actually experience real discrimination in this nation will provide a more real world view than youtube videos. Their wounds have not scabbed over. The wounds are still open and need to dressed.

        Here is a study about job applications,
        https://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.html

        “The results show significant discrimination against African-American names: White names receive 50 percent more callbacks for interviews….We find little evidence that our results are driven by employers inferring something other than race, such as social class, from the names. These results suggest that racial discrimination is still a prominent feature of the labor market.
        “http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873

  • @David,
    You don’t know what I am concerned with because you don’t actually read it. You pick out sound bites and put them in quotes but don’t actually write down the whole story. So, no, David you don’t know or understand what I am concerned with.

    No, I don’t support killing or attacking police officers and neither does the Black Lives Matter movement. Individuals may act irrationally or angrily but subscribing them to a whole movement when the movement does not actually call for the killing or harming of police officers is again deflecting from the original post.

    Trump says racist, misogynistic, and xenophobic things. It is not the fault of President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Al Sharpton or the Black LIves Matter movement that Donald Trump says racist, misogynistic and xenophobic things. Donald Trump is an adult. Donald Trump chooses to say the things he says. Donald Trump is supported and defended by many because he says racist, misogynistic and xenophobic things. No, not all people support him for those reasons. Just many. Many of these people blame other people for the things that Donald Trumps says.

  • @David,

    The Republicans convened committees on Benghazi. They did this for political reason. They even have come out openly and said this. They did not do it to find information that would prevent tragedies like Benghazi from happening again or to keep our embassies safer. They did this because they wanted to take Hillary Clinton down because they knew they would face her in this election. They did not find that anyone lied.

    Illegal immigrants do not commit more crimes than citizens. Yes, some immigrants commit crimes. They are absolutely NOT mostly rapists, murders, robbers. Most are actually law abiding citizens who contribute to our economy.

    Trump specifically says that the majority are criminals. It plays into people’s prejudices.

    Here is a good paper on immigrants and crime.
    http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic1141175.files/Waters-Simes.Politics%20of%20Immigration%20and%20Crime.forthcoming%20chapter.pdf

    • @ Shelly

      “They did this for political reason. They even have come out openly and said this.”

      It was Hillary and Obama who failed to provide adequate support for our people. It was Hillary and Obama who failed to send them aid with they asked for it. It is Hillary and Obama who are responsible for the lives of our four dead Americans; and it is Hillary and Obama who lied to the American people regarding the reason for the attacks and their lies were politically motivated.

      “They did not find that anyone lied.”

      Is it because you refuse to read the transcript and watch the video of Hillary lying, or are you just dishonest in your unwillingness to acknowledge what anyone can see with their own eyes in this material…that Hillary and Obama are lying to the American people, you see it in the video.
      Is it true she told her daughter that the attack was due to terrorism? Yes. True that she told the Libyan Prime Minister the same? Yes. Is it true she phoned the Egyptian President and told him specifically that we know the attack was NOT due to a video? Yes. Is it true she told the American people the attack was due to a video? Yes. Shelly, if this is NOT lying, please give me a scenario where Hillary (hypothetically) does lie?

      https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/12/31/hillary-nailed-again-on-benghazi-lie-in-new-hampshire/

      From the above:

      It would have been nice if Clinton had been asked which “other family members believe differently” — because at least four family members say that when she met with them, she aggressively pushed the false YouTube video narrative.

      Four different relatives of three separate victims who met with Clinton at Andrews Air Force Base on Sept 14, 2012, have publicly stated that she spoke with them about the video: Patricia Smith (Sean Smith’s mother), Michael Ingmire (Sean Smith’s uncle), Kate Quigley (Glen Doherty’s sister), and Charles Woods (Tyrone Woods’ father). The latter kept written notes from the meeting.

      Thanks to a recently released email, we now know that on that same day, a State Department official at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli in Libya warned colleagues in Washington, D.C., to “not conflate” the video with “this well-planned attack by militant extremists.”

      Yet that is what Hillary Clinton did — at least publicly.

      Do you think the American people deserve to know what happened and who is responsible for the attack in Benghazi where the first US ambassador since 1988 was killed? That is the purpose of the hearings and they would have gone on regardless of who had been Secretary of State at the time of the attack. Hillary is responsible for their deaths, and she lied about it.

      • @David,
        There were a lot of mistakes made that led to the Benghazi tragedy. Hillary Clinton did take responsibility for these mistakes and for the deaths.

        Until a thorough, definitive intelligence investigation occurred, the news of it being an orchestrated, planned attack did not come out. It was a crisis.

        Mistakes were made. People died because of it.

        But Hillary Clinton and President Obama did not cause the people to attack the embassy. Angry terrorists did.

        The Republicans on the committee and you seem more important with blaming then with finding out who actually committed the terrorist act and how this type of tragedy can be prevented in the future.

        I am not voting for someone who advocates killing the families, woman and children, of terrorists as Donald Trump does. Our nation should not behave like terrorist. I will not vote for someone who calls Mexicans rapists and criminals and blames them for all of our woes, Donald Trump did this. I will not vote for someone who instead of answering questions or debates actual policy insults people for their physical appearance. I will not vote for someone who objectifies woman so I will not be voting for Donald Trump. I will not vote for someone who makes things up and when called on the lies just shouts them louder.

  • @David,

    Donald Trump is an adult. He makes decisions to say what he wants to say. No one puts words in his mouth. He says racist, xenophobic, and misogynistic things all the time. This is why many of his supporters support him. Specifically for his racist, xenophobic and misogynistic rhetoric. It is part of his platform. Support him if you want to. That is your right. He owns what he says. Why can’t you?

  • @ Joanna Clark

    “There you ago, changing the submit again.”

    I have no control over when entries appear and as you’ll note, your 3/25 11:06 and 11:37 posts have no reply button next to them. I respond to articles as I find them and as there are so many, my replies may not be in chronological order.

    “David, who speaks for all those dark-skinned people that our white-skinned ancestors up-rooted from their native lands and enslaved here.”

    Why do you feel they can’t speak for themselves? You do know the slave trade ended over 200 years ago, how far back do you wish to go to find injustices? I’m sure you know that blacks in American, when asked, didn’t want to go back to their native lands. I think you are also aware that there was plenty of blame to go around, it wasn’t just whitey imposing his will. Who captured and sold the slaves to the slavers (other tribal blacks) and why isn’t there any mention from you about the Muslim participation in slavery?

    “How about the 100-million native Northern, Central and Southern Americans that our ancestors either killed (with their germs, guns and steel) or raped as they stole the land they had lived on for 13,000 to perhaps more that 33,000 years.”

    100 million, really? You used this figure once before and I asked for a source and your only response was a list of outbreaks of disease, hardly a phenomenon Europeans had control over. And you say “our ancestors”, in reference to the deaths of Central and South America natives, most of which died before any of “our” ancestors even arrived from Europe. You have a strange criteria for assigning blame.

    “They forced their beliefs on the native Americans, and in many cases were just as brutal.”

    So what is your point? Are you suggesting that we not complain about militant Islam today because some native Americans were forced into Catholicism by the Spaniards and therefore we should let the Muslims murder us in our beds or allow so-called Muslim refugees to over run our country like they have in Europe? Seriously, what is your point?

    With or without the injustices Native and African Americans have experienced, they have a right to peaceably protest; again, where have I suggested otherwise?

    David Duke and the Tuskegee syphilis experiments, really? Is this another example of the left’s attitude that either you agree with all they say and do, or you’ll be branded a David Duke supporter or one who thinks the syphilis experiments were justified? In addition to the logical fallacies you and Shelly engage in, it now appears you are doing to me what leftists consistently do…demonize those with whom you disagree and in this case, suggest I am a David Duke supporter. By all means correct me if I have this wrong.

    “Given how we white people have ensalved them, marginalized them, used them in human experimentation, etc, etc, etc, I think they have as much right, if not more, to peacefully protest than David Duke and his ilk.”

    Feel free to assuage your white guilt by turning over to the nearest Native American whatever property of his or hers you may be occupying and leave the rest of society to contemplate solving real problems of today, not sins of the distant past by long dead people.

    • No David, how about we stop accusing entire groups just because their are a few extremists that do irrational things like killing, maiming or destroying buildings. In every group, large or small — political, religious, ethnic, etc. — you will find radicalized extremists. Those are the ones we should go after, rather than paint the entire group and extremists.

  • David, making a comment on known intel is not a lie. Making a comment on intel that you know is a lie, because you cooked the books, is a lie.

    In regards to your ” what leftists consistently do…demonize those with whom you disagree and in this case, suggest I am a David Duke supporter. By all means correct me if I have this wrong.” isn’t that precisely what you have been doing.

    In my original letter I went after Trump. He is narcissistic, xenophobic, misogynistic, all of which he has demonstration in every one of his town hall meetings. Let’s start with the Megan Kelly incident when she challenged him over his misogynistic comments about women at the first Republican primary debate in August, saying: “You’ve called women you don’t like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals,” and asking: “Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president?” Since then Trump has repeatedly, childishly and abusively taunted Kelly, “making high-profile comments about her professionalism and performance, retweeting sexist and critical tweets about her and repeatedly reviving the issue.” – Time, (Jan 28, 2016). When asked about David Duke, he “deflected questions about disavowing David Duke, saying “I just don’t know anything about him.” When asked whether he would disavow Duke and other white supremacist groups that are supporting his campaign, Trump responded: “Just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke; I know nothing about white supremacists.”

    I have watched most of the Town Halls and Debates with the, so my opinions are not based solely on the articles being written, they are first hand knowledge from watching events as they unfold on live TV.

    I didn’t mention any of the other candidates, because I was only writing about Trumps behavior and his unwillingness to disavow his relationships with white supremacists.

    Okay, you disagree, blaming others who you call liberals, blame Obama for getting up in the morning and fulling his duties, despite the unprecedented obstructionism. Okay, I get it.

    When I wrote 100-million native Americans, I included Northern, Central, and Southern) killed by our ancestors germs, guns and steel. The largest number of deaths can certainly be related to germs. But the infections were not always unintentional.

    The Native Americans had no resistance to European diseases. However, “During Pontiac’s uprising in 1763, the Indians besieged Fort Pitt. They burned nearby houses, forcing the inhabitants to take refuge in the well-protected fort. The British officer in charge, Captain Simeon Ecuyer, reported to Colonel Henry Bouquet in Philadelphia that he feared the crowded conditions would result in disease. Smallpox had already broken out. On June 24, 1763, William Trent, a local trader, recorded in his journal that two Indian chiefs had visited the fort, urging the British to abandon the fight, but the British refused. Instead, when the Indians were ready to leave, Trent wrote: “Out of our regard for them, we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect.” . . . Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in North America, wrote July 7, 1763, probably unaware of the events at Fort Pitt: “Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them.” He ordered the extirpation of the Indians and said no prisoners should be taken. About a week later, he wrote to Bouquet: “You will Do well to try to Innoculate the Indians by means of Blanketts as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race. – Harold B. Gill, Jr. “Colonial Germ Warfare,” The Colonial Williamsburg Journal, Spring 2004.

    Tell me David, if a superior force with superior weapons, and tried to take you home, would you run or fight. The Native Americans fought for their home land, just like we would.

    Who speaks for them? They speak for themselves, David, but you seem very offended by that.

    I detest the term racism, because we are one race, and I detest any form of discrimination, regardless of what it is based on.

    If you read my bio, you would know that I have been around. I was in the south during the civil rights movement, and I witnessed what we did to people all because of the color of their skin. I drove down through Mississippi on numerous occasions and saw segregated schools. I nice new school building on the right side of the road, and a broken down school building on the left for the dark-skinned members of our race.

    Despite the 14th amendment and the passage of civil rights laws over the past six decades, we continue to marginalize the so-called non-white population. You will no doubt disagree with me, but when they close down voter registration offices in predominately African-American and Hispanic communities, that is discrimination. And, yes, discrimination still exists today, ever dividing us. I only brought up our history of having diverged out of Africa some 60,000- to 130,000 years ago. You began bringing up historical events – Clinton this, Carter that, Obama that, etc. I only countered your opinions.

    I simply addressed the fact that much of our anger and hatred towards others is based on irrational concepts of what we call racism. I questioned the concept of racism when there is only one race. And I suggested that given the fact we are all biologically related, and we need to get past that and work as one. But you seem to disagree with that as well.

    • @ Joanna Clark

      “Tell me David, if a superior force with superior weapons, and tried to take you home, would you run or fight.”

      Fight. Is there anything I’ve said that would indicate that I thought the Native Americans were unjustified in the defense of their lands?

      “They speak for themselves, David, but you seem very offended by that.”

      No Joanna, I am not nor have I said anything that would indicate that. You have developed quite a habit of employing straw man arguments. I fully support every citizen’s right to speak, protest, or rally, as long as it is peaceful. I would not condemn the BLM movement if they were peaceful. I support Donald Trump’s right to have a rally and for his supporters to attend and hear his words and to do so without being harassed by George Soros’ thugs. I respect the right of anti-Trump supporters to show up at his rally and have signs to demonstrate their dislike of whatever it is he stands for. You and Shelly are so determined to stick it to Trump, that you both seem to miss in these conversations that I am NOT a Trump supporter. I’ve called him a narcissistic blowhard, boorish, that he makes asinine comments, and that he is the last of all the Republicans that I would support. I will, however, vote for him if he is the nominee because the alternative, a lying crook who felt no compunction in putting this nation’s national security at risk and indeed may very well be subject to blackmail by our enemies, is unthinkable.

      “I detest the term racism, because we are one race, and I detest any form of discrimination, regardless of what it is based on.”

      Careful now, we may start finding ourselves in agreement. I believe one solution to minimizing race based discrimination is to mix the races together, to intermarry and produce children of mixed race. In addition to being sick of the violence, intermarriage between Catholics and Protestants has helped ease some of the tensions in Northern Ireland. It is not a perfect solution, it certainly won’t work in Israel, but it is a voluntary mechanism that moves the ball down the court toward peaceful coexistence.

      Regarding Ft. Pitt and small pox, a small drop in an ocean of humanity, ie., one tiny incident in a long history and another example of how opposing sides failed to understand one another. Possibly, the Native Americans would have been satisfied if the soldiers had simply abandoned the fort. Possibly, the soldiers were thinking of Ft. William Henry where British soldiers had surrendered and were promptly massacred by the indians (the inspiration for Last of the Mohicans). Faced with the possibility of growing numbers of Indians, the soldiers resorted to an act even they felt was underhanded. Fascinating history, but it has no bearing on our affairs of today. We can’t rewind the clock and to attempt to do so can only foster ill will.

      “I witnessed what we did to people all because of the color of their skin.”

      As I said, we don’t have to forget the past, but neither should we be prisoners of the past. To ignore the distance we’ve come in race relations to focus instead on problems of the past, is to prolong the pain and angry feelings. That is what race hucksters do, fan into flames those feelings of being treated unfairly. The KKK does the same thing but from the reverse, both should be vigorously opposed.

      “…we continue to marginalize the so-called non-white population. You will no doubt disagree with me…” You got that right.

      “I only brought up our history of having diverged out of Africa some 60,000- to 130,000 years ago.”

      And what I viewed as selective outrage against Donald Trump.

      “But you seem to disagree with that as well.”

      No, I don’t disagree. Who can disagree with the concept that we should all get along and work as one? My response was one more of cynicism, the response given when a platitude is invoked with the expectation that its mere mention is enough to change minds and hearts.

      • @David,

        Knowingly spreading smallpox (germ warfare) is a small drop in the ocean to you. It killed off millions of Native Americans. Is this really what you think?

  • @ Shelly

    “Hillary Clinton did take responsibility for these mistakes and for the deaths.”

    Really? How so, by lying about the event and the causes? By the fact that she told her daughter and Egyptian and Libyan leaders that the attack was due to terrorism and NOT an internet video and then going on television and lying to the American people about it claiming the attack was due to a spontaneous protest because of an internet video? By lying to the families of our slain Americans telling them she was going after the video maker because he was the cause of their deaths?
    You have a strange notion of “taking responsibility”. What would NOT taking responsibility look like in your view?

  • @David,

    She came right out and said, “I am responsible…” that is how she took responsibility.

    She did not cause the attack. And the attack coincided with the release of a anti-Muslim video.

    Mistakes were made in Benghazi.

    President Bush took us to war and lied to the American public about the reasons. His administration told the public there was link between Hussein, al quaeda and 9/11. President Bush and his administration knew there was not link. Thousands of Americans and Iraqi civilians died because we went to war based on what the Bush Administration told us. The Bush Administration took us to war with Iraq with no end plan. No plan or foresight at all to what we should do after the invasion. It was chaotic and unorganized.. Thousands of people died because of it. The region is in upheaval and ISIS was created because of this war.

    To take it back to the beginning, Trump has now tweeted after the attack that, “…I alone can solve.”

    How?

    Donald Trump says racist, xenophobic, misogynistic stuff all the time. He offers no real policy change or solutions to anything. He advocates killing women and children as a means to the ends. He advocates torture and taking away the 1st amemdment rights to many. He objectifies women..

    This will not make America great. This will make America like the terrorists. I will not vote for him. I do not support killing woman and children. I do not support torture. I do not support banning people because of their religion. I do not support calling a whole group of people rapist, murders and criminals. I do not support inciting violence against protestors. You can support him. That is your right.

    • @ Shelly

      Shelly, you’ve become so monotonous and repetitious in your statements, that I am beginning to suspect that you are attempting to bore me to death.

  • @David,

    I repeat myself because you repeat yourself.

    This letter to the community was about Trump’s white supremacist, xenophobic, misogynistic rhetoric. You have spent a couple of days trying to tear Hillary and President Obama down instead of just saying, yep, Trump says racist, xenophobic, misogynistic rhetoric. You even say you will vote for him.

    You spent time telling us there was no need for people like Al Sharpton to fight for the rights people and you compared him to David Dukes and the KKK. Al Sharpton did not hang anyone or take away their rights or burn down their houses or kill their children. He has been fighting for the equal rights of people.

    You told us that bringing up the discrimination was picking the scabs of discrimination. Whatever that means but maybe you say this because, you, David, may not personally have experienced discrimination. Hey, it still exists.

    You may be able to look past Trump’s ugliness and narcissism and his xenophobic platform in order to vote Republican. But many cannot. So yawn away.

  • @ Shelly

    “Knowingly spreading smallpox (germ warfare) is a small drop in the ocean to you. It killed off millions of Native Americans.”

    Killed off millions of Native Americans? What unbelievable horse manure. How many Native Americans do you think were attacking Ft. Pitt? How many Native Americans do you think were in the lands that make up America today?

    It is my turn to ask, did you ever attend a history class?

    • @David,

      Yes, David, the introduction of smallpox into the Native American population at a time there were no cases in North America in the Native population and when there was no vaccine for smallpox was devastating. It didn’t just go away. It caused millions of deaths.

      • @ Shelly

        Your statement: “Yes, David, the introduction of smallpox into the Native American population at a time there were no cases in North America in the Native population and when there was no vaccine for smallpox was devastating. It didn’t just go away. It caused millions of deaths.”

        Like most of the rest of your factually bankrupt statements, this one too is false. See the below from wiki:

        In the summer of 1639, a smallpox epidemic struck the Huron natives in the St. Lawrence and Great Lakes regions. The disease had reached the Huron tribes through traders returning from Québec and remained in the region throughout the winter. When the epidemic was over, the Huron population had been reduced to roughly 9000 people, about half of what it had been before 1634.[3]

        Now from earlyamerica.com:

        For example, during the early 1700s, Northern Plains groups considered smallpox to be a personification of the Bad Spirit. Disease was often thought of as punishment by the “Master of Life” for mistreatment of animals or other people. During the 1730s, the Creeks and Cherokees considered the spread of smallpox to be punishment for violations of tribal laws, such as sexual intercourse in the cornfields and village-wide violations.

        Indigenous Treatments and Responses to Smallpox

        Between 1500 and 1600, Native Americans attempted to treat the disease with traditional medical treatments.

        Although many vaccination attempts were ineffective at preventing smallpox, most vaccinations helped protect Native Americans. An intense debate concerning inoculations against smallpox in the Americas took place in the 1720s.

        Shelly, Europeans brought many diseases with them, diseases that they too suffered from. But on virgin soil with little or no previous contact, these diseases devastated the Native population, a devastation that would have taken place regardless of the intentions of Europeans. See my response to Joanna if you feel you need to assuage your white guilt.

      • @David,
        White guilt? What? I think you are in denial about racism. And by the way, you have no idea who my ancestors were. And even beyond my immediate ancestors, as Joanna says, we are all one race! Hopefully, one day, we will get to the place where we don’t judge people or discriminate or think we are better simply because of what we look like, what religion we practice, where we are from, our names, our language.

      • @ Shelly

        My statement: “Regarding Ft. Pitt and small pox, a small drop in an ocean of humanity…”

        To which YOU replied: ““Knowingly spreading smallpox (germ warfare) is a small drop in the ocean to you. It killed off millions of Native Americans.”

        So the context is what happened at Ft Pitt, an incident that took place in 1763. You then, as the reader will note, made the above comment, indicating you thought this one incident resulted in millions of deaths (complete horse manure), Furthermore, you said:
        “…the introduction of smallpox into the Native American population at a time there were no cases in North America in the Native population and when there was no vaccine for smallpox was devastating.”

        As I pointed out and which is either news to you or you have been intentionally dishonest, small pox had already been ravaging the Native Population LONG BEFORE the Ft Pitt incident.

        You also seemed to have ignored my statement here: “Shelly, Europeans brought many diseases with them, diseases that they too suffered from. But on virgin soil with little or no previous contact, these diseases devastated the Native population, a devastation that would have taken place regardless of the intentions of Europeans.”

        Apparently, wishing to justify your implied charge that Europeans deliberately brought these diseases over as a means of committing genocide, you keep repeating that small pox killed millions, and conflate the incident at Ft Pitt with the entire experience of Native Americans on two continents. Do you think the Native Americans deliberately infected the Europeans with syphilis?

        ” I think you are in denial about racism.”

        And you exaggerate the incidence of such and by your focus on it, YOU are part of the problem. YOU help perpetuate racism and by defending race hucksters like Al Sharpton, you give these con men, whose real agenda is to keep THEMSELVES in power, cover so that they can continue to exploit those they claim to represent.

        “Hopefully, one day, we will get to the place where we don’t judge people or discriminate or think we are better simply because of what we look like, what religion we practice, where we are from, our names, our language.”

        Now that I can agree with. I would add that we not engage in selective outrage where we give a pass to those with whom we agree with or feel (justified or not) are discriminated against, but vilify those we have disagreements with.

      • @David,
        When you introduce a disease unless there is a cure it stays in the population and spreads. Small pox did this. Its source was from Europe. And sometimes the source was directed on purpose at the Native Americans and sometimes it was not.

      • @ Shelly

        Your claim: “When you introduce a disease unless there is a cure it stays in the population and spreads. Small pox did this. Its source was from Europe. And sometimes the source was directed on purpose at the Native Americans and sometimes it was not.”

        The word “sometimes” indicates more than once and it has NOT been established that other than the Ft Pitt incident, it ever occurred. You also indicated from the context that millions died from this one incident…patent non sense. You are sacrificing truth on the altar of the narrative you wish to push. Europeans suffered from syphilis as a result of their contact with Native Americans; will you be consistent and assign blame for this?

        I don’t support Hillary Clinton because she had no compunction about putting this nation’s national security at risk for her own convenience in violation of the law she well understood. She lied repeatedly about her use of an unsecured e-mail server and in every case, her story crumbled under the evidence. She failed to provide the security needed for our fellow Americans in Benghazi and when they were predictably attacked, failed to send reinforcements and indeed, an order was given for the small security force there to “stand down”, an order they eventually ignored. She then lied to the American people and lied specifically to the families of our slain Americans. She claims to support women but champions Planned Parenthood that murders half a million children in the womb each year more than half of whom are female. This same organization has been caught on video negotiating the sale of baby parts in violation of the law. She has received millions in support from Saudi Arabia, a country that doesn’t even allow women to drive. She harassed the women who accused her husband of sexual abuse even going so far, in at least one case, to threaten the safety of the woman’s children. Like Donald Trump, she will say anything and do anything to get elected, but unlike Trump, is almost certainly vulnerable to blackmail by foreign entities. She is a security risk this nation doesn’t need.

      • @David,
        Two senate committees, a congressional committee and an independent committee have debunked the “stand down order”.

        Hillary should not have used a private email server. Powell did the same thing.

        Trump has investments in Saudi Arabia as well as many other Middle Eastern countries, and he has business investments in countries around the world. In the town hall meeting he said that he supported banning Muslims from entering our country but would allow rich Muslims, because he said there would be exceptions.

        The Clinton Foundation has accepted money from governments. The Clinton Foundation is a charitable organization that has bipartisan support.

        Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders support a woman’s right to choose.

        Planned Parenthood did not act illegally. Planned Parenthood has not been charged with anything because they did not act illegally. The people filming the video acted illegally. They have been indicted by a grand jury. “Prosecutors in Harris County said one of the leaders of the Center for Medical Progress — an anti-abortion group that made secretly recorded videos purporting to show Planned Parenthood officials trying to illegally profit from the sale of fetal tissue — had been indicted on a charge of tampering with a governmental record, a felony, and on a misdemeanor charge related to purchasing human organs.”. New York Times, Jan. 25, 2016

        In the Town Meeting with Chris Matthews Trump said that woman should be punished for abortions but not the men who get them pregnant.

        You can vote for Trump if your party chooses him for you. I will not. He has a racist, xenophobic, and misogynist platform. .

        I will vote for Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton.

      • @David,
        When you introduce a contagious dangerous disease such as small pox into a population it could take one exposure to kill off many because the disease travels as the people travel.

  • @ Shelly

    “I repeat myself because you repeat yourself.” and “…You spent time telling us there was no need…” and “…You told us that bringing up the discrimination…”

    So which story are you going with Shelly, that I repeat myself or that I keep bringing up of these different issues? Have some consistency in your claims.

    “Trump’s white supremacist…”

    So now Trump, in the space of a few days has graduated from just a racist, to a white supremacist…at least you’re printing something new. Just what is your evidence for Trump being a white supremacist? Oh never mind, you don’t need any evidence because you have passion and you mean well.

    I’m not trying to tear Hillary and Obama down, I am tearing them down and doing so simply by relaying the history (remember how important you claimed it was) of their misdeeds.

    “”… instead of just saying, yep, Trump says racist, xenophobic, misogynistic rhetoric…”

    Typical, leftists not only expect everyone to go along with their political correct attacks, they demand it. Trump has made himself an easy target for these kinds of scurrilous charges, a result of his big mouth (he may indeed be a misogynist). Trump attacks any and everybody in his way or who have attacked him. He is an equal opportunity basher undeterred by the tommy rot of political correctness.

    “You spent time telling us there was no need for people like Al Sharpton to fight for the rights people…”

    More straw man arguments from you. I never said or suggested there was no need for people to fight for other peoples’ rights, you just keep making stuff up. Is honesty really that difficult for you? What I said was that Al Sharpton is a racist and that our current president is a racist for seeking this man’s counsel. See Al Sharpton here:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/03/al-sharpton-s-long-bill-of-goods-from-tawana-brawley-to-primetime.html

    From the above we find this statement about Sharpton:

    “Sharpton called Jews “diamond merchants” with “the blood of innocent babies” on their hands. A mob subsequently attacked and murdered an innocent Hasidic Jewish student visiting from Australia. (Twenty-five years later, he wrote a mealy-mouthed not-quite apology for his rhetoric.)”
    or this:
    “…Sharpton was found guilty of defamation in a lawsuit brought by prosecutor Steven Pagones…”

    Apparently, if you read the whole article, Sharpton is responsible for inciting a number of incidents where people ended up getting murdered. Were you aware of this Shelly since you appear to be defending this despicable individual? Or, is his incitement of violence and the resultant murders ok because he comes from an oppressed people?

    Al Sharpton is probably worse than David Duke; I don’t know of anybody murdered because of David Duke. Are you saying David Duke participated in hanging people? That he murdered peoples children? Burned down their houses? Really? I would entertain any evidence you have for that, or, in the absence of any, assume it is just another one of your false claims.

  • @david
    David dukes was grand wizard of an organization that has a history of lynching, killing and terrorizing people. You can defend David dukes and the KKK if you choose but it is a heinous organization.

    African Americans have and are discriminated and marginalized in this nation. Al sharpton is not perfect but he is one of the marginalized fighting for survival and equal rights. I don’t agree with the anti Semitic rhetoric.

    I am not in denial that racism still exists in this nation.

    Trump has shared his racist xenophobic misogynist view of the world at most of his rallies. He is the republican front runner. Many on the right are supporting him.

    I am a liberal and proud of it. My view is that I will not support a misogynist. I will not support someone who threatens people’s 1st amendment rights of religious rights by banning Muslims. I will not support someone who calls Mexicans rapists and murderers. I will not support someone who tweets after the horrific tragedy in Pakistan that only he can solve it.

    My children go to school with children who are legal and illegal immigrants and their parents are my peers. They are not rapists or murderers but people who work really hard to make a better life for their families.

    Did you read the whole story about the flag shirts? Did you read how it started? Did you read where the kids were celebrating cinco de mayo and a group of students started chanting USA at them? Is this mutual respect? At this school there was cultural tension, there was not mutual respect for each other’s cultures. At the next years cinco de mayo the kids wore flag shirts. Why?

    I don’t know exactly what happens in other countries but I think in America we should be able to celebrate our cultural heritage without being shouted at.

    I don’t support trumps rhetoric. Vote for him if your party picks him for you. That is your right.

  • @ Shelly

    Regarding your statement about the stand order, horse manure! See here, straight from the guys who received the stand down order, the guys who risked their lives one of whom came back badly wounded (their part of the interview starts at 3:25):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy0-vXmATM0

    Now either the guys who received the stand down order are lying, or those who gave the stand down order are. Since the order was obviously the wrong thing to do, who do you think is more credible, the heroes seen in the video above, or the station chief through whom the order came and who refused to give the author of the book and docudrama, 13 Hours, an interview? Do you think that the congenital liar, Hillary Clinton is credible in this whole affair? Are you ready to call these heroes liars? What would be their motive for making this up?

    The below from this website: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rice-aides-powell-also-got-classified-info-personal-emails-n511181

    Powell, who served as secretary from 2001 to 2005, said he used a personal email account because State’s email system was slow and cumbersome. Powell is credited with modernizing State’s computer infrastructure, which did not at the time allow each employee to have the internet at their desks.

    “State’s system at the time was inadequate,” he said.

    But, he added, “I did not use my email account for any classified matters because I had a classified computer on my desk.”

    From: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/09/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-said-my-predecessors-did-same-thin/

    Clinton said, regarding her State Department email practices, “my predecessors did the same thing.”

    This is a misleading claim chiefly because only one prior secretary of state regularly used email, Colin Powell. Powell did use a personal email address for government business, however he did not use a private server kept at his home, as Clinton did.

    We rate this claim Mostly False.

    This claim being, Hillary Clinton’s false claim.

    “Trump has investments in Saudi Arabia…”

    Trump is not claiming to be some champion of women in fact he too, also like Hillary, supports the murder of the pre-born and the selling of body parts, ie., he supports Planned Parenthood. Hillary has no problem taking money from those who won’t even allow women the right to drive, do not hold the testimony of a woman on a par with a man, and don’t allow women to travel outside the home without a male accompanying them. Then she lies to the American people and claims she supports women, and you find this ok?

    “Planned Parenthood has not been charged with anything because they did not act illegally.”

    So you’re saying you can’t believe what your eyes and ears plainly confirm? Or, perhaps you haven’t seen the videos, see here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PG2LxCKW-U

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBXRzmqBdGY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwn0QBhy2TQ

    You can vote for a lying crook who should be in jail for her cavalier attitude toward national security and who may well be subject to black mail by foreign states, but the wise will not. You may be able to excuse the fact that she is directly responsible for the deaths of those four Americans in Benghazi and then lied to their families and lied to the country she takes for granted, but the wise will not. You may agree with her regarding her support for the savagery perpetrated on the pre-born, and the selling off of their bodies, but those with a conscience will not.

    • @David,
      Not horse manure. The stand down order did not occur and two Senate committees, a congressional committee and independent committee debunk the stand down order.

      http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/will-republicans-stand-by-the-benghazi-stand-down-order-conspiracy/439530/

      Saudi Arabia did not make political contributions to Hillary Clinton. Unlike Trump she has no financial stake there or anywhere else in the world.

      You say you will vote for Trump if your party picks him for you. I do not support someone who has a misogynist, racist, and xenophobic platform, advocates bombing civilians, and will not support our Constitution.

      • @ Shelly

        Who best is able to determine whether a stand down order was issued? Let that question sink in for a moment. Those receiving the stand down order are best able to determine the veracity of such an order. Those men, if you bothered to view the video, steadfastly maintained that they did indeed receive a stand down order…one of them testified he’d received it twice. Had they merely misunderstood, the station chief, who gave them the order, would have corrected them and told them to get moving. He did not, demonstrating the stand down order was real, given, and no amount of CYA on the part of those up the chain of command will change that. Since you believe in a different set of events, you have to explain why these men who risked their lives claim that such an order was given; neither you nor the source you posted have attempted to do so.
        I am satisfied to allow the readers to view the testimony of these heroes and make up their own minds, are you?

        Likewise, I’ll let the reader view the misdeeds of Planned Parenthood on the many videos available and draw their own conclusions. If PP was not in error, then why, even in the generous article YOU posted, are they apologizing? Why were the shenanigans of Planned Parenthood filmed in secret, ie., why wasn’t the public aware of all that was going on? The short answer is that they were breaking the law by selling the bodies of the murdered preborn as revealed in the videos. The fact that PP has powerful friends in both the media and politics should not obscure what the viewer can plainly see and hear for themselves is taking place in the videos.

        And you have stated you intend on voting for Hillary, a woman who should be in the jail house, not the White House. She feels she is above the law, that laws apply to other people, not her. Thus, she put the Nation’s national security at risk for her own convenience, does this not bother you? She is also responsible for the deaths of our Americans in Benghazi and saying “I’m responsible” and then lying to the American people and to the families of the slain for political reasons, is a poor definition of “taking responsibility”.

      • @David,
        Yes, I will vote for Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. I will not vote for a person who has a racist, xenophobic, misogynist, platform and who advocates bombing civilians and threatens millions of people’s health care and our rights under the constitution and lies all the times and just makes things up..

        I am not convinced by you about Benghazi or planned parenthood, or comparing Al Sharpton to David Dukes, the grand wizard of the KKK or your calling President Obama a racist and your claim that addressing racism in American is just picking scabs (may not be your reality but it is millions of other American’s reality in the USA).

        And you can leave it to the reader to believe what they believe but really there are no readers reading this except us.

        So cast your vote and support for Trump if your party picks him for you.

  • @David,
    Planned Parenthood does not profit from “body parts”. Watch the whole video not just the edited version.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/

    • @ Shelly

      Did you watch the whole video? In fact, there were many videos, all demonstrating that PP is/was selling the bodies of pre-born children. Please direct me to the parts of the video YOU feel exonerate PP, and just why did PP feel it necessary to apologize? Because they got caught?

      Another interesting article addressing politically correctness:

      http://patriotpost.us/opinion/41717

    • @David,
      Planned Parenthood does not sell body parts. Hospitals do not sell body parts. Fetal tissue is used for research. The only cost is for shipping. Research it.

      Planned Parenthood was not found to have broken any laws but the people who made the edited videos were indicted by a Grand Jury.

      Are you going to defund the top Universities and research laboratories in the world who use and pay the shipping for the fetal cells in order to do research and find cures and vaccines for diseases?

      http://www.nature.com/news/the-truth-about-fetal-tissue-research-1.18960

      • @ Shelly

        So did you watch the whole video of PP’s misdeeds or did you simply trust the article’s headlines had dispelled what one can plainly see and hear with their own eyes and ears in the videos?

        Did you see that David Daleiden, head of the Center for Medical Progress, the group that filmed PP’s illegal actions, had his home raided by the Calif. Attorney General’s office headed by Kamala Harris? You’ll recall that Attorney General Harris’s campaign was heavily funded by PP and now she appears to be doing their bidding by raiding Daleiden’s home and confiscating his films of PP, some of which haven’t as yet been seen by the public.

        Daleiden’s home is invaded because he is being investigated for…using false ID (to gain access to PP so he could film their illegal activities). Is this normal procedure for someone accused of using false ID or is it just coincidental that Kamala Harris was heavily funded by PP and Daleiden is obviously more than just a thorn in PP’s side? PP sure has some powerful friends to silence those who would bring their illegal activities to light.

        Just what do you think was going on in those videos…and you can give the most generous version imaginable in support of PP?

        See the news: http://liveactionnews.org/ca-attorney-general-raids-home-of-center-for-medical-progress-leader/

        http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2016/04/06/california-doj-raids-home-of-prolife-activist-behind-planned-parenthood-videos-n2144354

      • @ Shelly

        For example, have you seen this video of the discussion surrounding compensation for procedures and going the extra mile to get the baby parts necessary to satisfy the prospective customer?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJPLzMIC7CI

        Regardless of what one thinks of abortion, you would agree that accurate information should be given to women considering abortion, right?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_HoM6213kc

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fhyJItGPko&ebc=ANyPxKrFqEJmzHRiW44vwc2riEFv3wlSCLzZk9OwKyKBMxZPtlPkFwQV-AyFebg3yXtEtMYg3SjNrYlaWHmz7uQs2kyQqioyUg

        The above is interviews with women who observed the abortion procedures, that babies were routinely killed after being delivered alive.

      • @ Shelly

        This, from the site YOU posted:

        Uncomfortable viewing
        The Planned Parenthood videos caused even some supporters of fetal tissue research to feel uncomfortable. In one video, physician Deborah Nucatola, the group’s senior director of medical services, describes how she crushes fetuses above and below key organs to preserve them intact for research. She also described turning a fetus into a breech presentation to deliver the head last, when the cervix is more dilated, thus preserving the brain.

        This raised the question of whether physicians are altering abortion techniques to accommodate research requests, violating a widely held precept of research ethics. Arthur Caplan, a bioethicist at the New York University School of Medicine, dismisses the videos as “pure politics”, but some of the footage “did get my eyebrow to arch”, he says. “You can’t use a different approach to the abortion to try to preserve something. Those are just no-no’s.”

        These people, PP, are unethical, uncaring, and should be defunded immediately.

      • @David,

        At the very beginning it takes a man and a woman to conceive. A man can just walk away and this has occurred millions of times. The woman is left to bear and to raise and provide for this child. Society’s judgement for the pregnancy is all on the woman. Maybe she was raped, maybe she has health issues, maybe she has absolutely no way to support a child, maybe she will be kicked out of her family, maybe she is way to young to bear the responsibility, I don’t know but I am not going to choose for or judge this woman. Sometimes for whatever reason this just is not possible for this woman. The man doesn’t have to worry if he does not choose to. He can just walk away and many have for many, many, many years.
        Planned Parenthood does not make the decision to abort a fetus. A woman does. Planned Parenthood along with doctors and hospitals all over the USA provide the procedure after a woman makes a decision to end her pregnancy.

        Do you have any issues with the universities or research labs that use fetal tissue to research and work on curing diseases? Did you have a polio vaccination? Do you research all the medication that you take or medical procedures that you have had to make sure they were not developed using fetal tissue? Do you have issues with hospitals shipping fetal tissues for research. Do you go to Physicians or Hospitals that use medication or procedures that were developed using fetal tissue research? Have you been to a Hospital that has shipped fetal tissue for research?

        Maybe you have the luxury of affording health care but for many years millions of woman have not. Planned Parenthood has provided affordable health care for millions of women for many years. Abortions are a very, very small percentage of the services that Planned Parenthood provides.

        Many unwanted pregnancies and abortions have been prevented by Planned Parenthood because of family planning information.

  • @ Shelly

    For example, have you seen this video of the discussion surrounding compensation for procedures and going the extra mile to get the baby parts necessary to satisfy the prospective customer?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJPLzMIC7CI

    Regardless of what one thinks of abortion, you would agree that accurate information should be given to women considering abortion, right?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_HoM6213kc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fhyJItGPko&ebc=ANyPxKrFqEJmzHRiW44vwc2riEFv3wlSCLzZk9OwKyKBMxZPtlPkFwQV-AyFebg3yXtEtMYg3SjNrYlaWHmz7uQs2kyQqioyUg

    The above is interviews with women who observed the abortion procedures, that babies were routinely killed after being delivered alive.

    • @David,

      Do you support giving federal funds to Universities and research labs that use fetal tissue to research cures and prevention of diseases? D0 you support people using the medical information and vaccinations that were developed using fetal tissue? Are you willing to denounce hospitals and physicians who use these cures and vaccinations (polio vaccination for example) to prevent and cure diseases. You are against Planned Parenthood but someone is using the tissue. Are you against them and willing to boycott them because of it?

      Planned Parenthood has prevented millions of pregnancies and abortions because of family planning. Woman choose to have abortions. It is their choice because they will bear the child and be responsible for the child. Planned Parenthood does not make this choice for their patients.
      Woman individually choose to have an abortion. Planned Parenthood performs some of these. But woman who can afford insurance have abortion performed by their own Doctors and in Hospitals all over the USA and this fetal tissue is also used for research and these hospitals also charge shipping fees.

      I support Planned Parenthood and the work they do. Yes, you can put that in quotes and search for another anti Planned Parenthood video to paste underneath it and choose not to answer the above questions. You can find anything you want to support your views on YouTube. But have you ever personally been to a planned parenthood?

      I and millions of other women in this nation have gone to planned parenthood for affordable preventative and acute care. Have you ever had an ovarian cyst and absolutely no resources? A lump in your breast and absolutely no resources? A pregnancy with absolutely no way to afford prenatal care? Cervical cancer detected or prevented because of a yearly pap smear test performed at Planned Parenthood? Planned Parenthood has saved many lives through preventative care. Many babies have been born healthy because of the prenatal care provided by Planned Parenthood when no other resource was available.

      Trump is against Planned Parenthood, too. He has a misogynist, xenophobic and racist platform. But your party leaders may go around their own democratic process and not choose him for you. But you will vote for him if your party chooses him for you

  • @ Shelly

    “Maybe she was raped, maybe she has health issues, maybe she has absolutely no way to support a child, maybe she will be kicked out of her family, maybe she is way to young to bear the responsibility,”

    Should a woman who has been left on her own by an irresponsible man (Father of child), find herself unable to support said child, be able to kill that child? Assuming the answer is no, why then should she be able to kill that same child as long as it is prior to his or her birth?
    Mothers do have the option of putting their new borns up for adoption and isn’t this better than simply murdering the child in the womb or killing he or she following extraction from the womb?

    “Abortions are a very, very small percentage of the services that Planned Parenthood provides.”

    If so, then PP should have no problem giving up this barbaric practice and until doing so, should receive zero federal dollars.

    In answer to your questions: Yes, if the fetal tissue is from the result of an elective abortion. Unsure, but I probably had a polio vaccination. No. Yes if the fetal tissues were from elective abortions. I do not research whether a hospital uses or ships fetal tissues. Don’t know, see previous answer.

    “Planned Parenthood has provided affordable health care for millions of women for many years.”

    And murdered millions of the unborn, more than half of which would be female. PP could end their history of controversy by ending the murder of the pre born. Have you ever researched the beliefs of their founder, Margaret Sanger? Hitler modeled his eugenics programs off of her ideas.

    Do you agree with sex selection when it comes to abortion as has been practiced in China for decades?

    Abortion is a barbaric practice, a civilized society should not be murdering their children.

    • @David,

      I support a woman’s right to choose and have control over her body. You do not.

      We are not talking about China. We are talking about what is legal in the USA.

      You may have never personally experienced racism but that does not mean that it does not exist or that it does not need to be addressed. I think you should get out a little and see the world because racism unfortunately exists in the USA. And you are not a woman and you do not have the power to choose what woman does or doesn’t do with her body because of your personal opinion.

      Planned Parenthood provides affordable health care for woman and saves millions of lives. I support Planned Parenthood and you do not.

      If you personally, David, get services from any physician or hospitals that use medical procedures that were developed from fetal tissue, of which the overwhelming majority comes from voluntary abortions then you are not standing up for what you believe in. If you feel so strongly about this then you should not use vaccinations and possible cures that have been developed from fetal tissue. It may save your live but you should research every medical procedure you have in the future and seek an alternative if you feel so strongly about fetal tissue research because otherwise you are not supporting your rhetoric.

      Planned Parenthood does not request the tissue or do the research. Hospitals and physicians that perform abortions do not request or do the research. They perform a legal procedure that the patient chooses. Research facilities and universities request and pay the shipping for fetal tissue in order to search for cures for diseases.

      Federal money does not pay for abortions. Federal money pays for preventative, prenatal and acute care for woman.

      You are not changing my mind and I am not changing your mind.

  • @ Shelly

    Since the dawn of man, millions have supported the right to control the bodies of their slaves. Today, you support the right of a woman to control the body of and even murder the child growing within her. What about the child’s right to choose, wouldn’t SHE choose to have life?

    “We are not talking about China”

    It is not a question you wish to address because it undermines a pro-woman view point; males being preferred and females those targeted for abortion. It is the reality that abortion proponents don’t wish to acknowledge but would rather ignore…as you have.

    However, it is not just a phenomenon in China. It goes on in India, Singapore, Britain, and yes, America too. Here is an article that DOES address this reality (in America) and how pro-abortion folks attempt to obscure the issue:

    http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/18/the-united-states-has-a-femicide-problem/

    A quote from the above article and remember, this is in AMERICA: “But the really significant finding concerned third births in families who already had two daughters. Among these children, there were 151 boys for every 100 girls. Almond and Edlund drew the obvious conclusion: when expecting for the third time, a significant number of Asian parents preferred an abortion to a third daughter.”

    “You may have never personally experienced racism…”

    Your question is naively humorous particularly in light of my own life experiences (short answer is yes). It is the sort of question that usually originates with leftists who feel white people don’t experience discrimination. Racism and bigotry are the knee-jerk, go-to charges liberals make against those they disagree with…because it has been effective, not because it is necessarily true. The charge is used as a cudgel to silence those with a differing opinion. The consistent appeal to racism is what perpetuates a culture of victim status among certain minorities (but not others because they refuse to be classed as victims) and is indeed, the soft bigotry of low expectations that liberals in particular suffer from.

    “…you are not standing up for what you believe in.”

    I prefer to buy products made in America and hope other Americans do too, but I don’t observe this preference to the point of going without. This is not a problem for me, but holding this philosophy (being 100% committed to a principle) is a problem for YOU because I think you are well aware of the racist beginnings of Planned Parenthood and if you were consistent to what YOU suggest above, then you would have nothing to do with PP. You may wish to refresh your memory on just how horrendous Margaret Sanger’s views were and how she fully intended on carrying those views out. Afterwards, you can review the statements made by today’s leaders in PP and see for yourself just how callous and uncaring these folks are (those in the video, not necessarily all PP people).

    “Federal money does not pay for abortions.”

    If you really believe this, then you are lying to yourself. Money is fungible, remember that the next time you give a homeless man money to (as he claims) buy food, and then watch him come out of the closest liquor store with a bottle of Ripple.

    “…I am not changing your mind.”

    If you’re so sure, why respond?

  • @David,

    There is actually racism and sexism in the USA and in the world. To identify racism and sexism and to fight against them is not victim mentality but fighting the racism and sexism. It is not a liberal or a conservative thing.

    You feel abortion is murder. I do not. I believe it is choice that some woman feel they must make. You are not a woman. You have no idea what it is like to be a woman. You have no idea what it is to carry and bear a child. But you feel you should be able to choose for a woman what happens to her body.

    I don’t have an issue with Planned Parenthood. You do. So if you have an issue with Planned Parenthood don’t go there and seek services.

    I don’t believe in slavery but that doesn’t mean that I must now leave America because much of America’s original wealth was built by slave labor and many of the authors of our constitution owned slaves. Slavery was abolished.

    Fetal tissue research occurs now. Cures, medication and vaccinations are developed from this research. So are saying that if a new cure developed from fetal tissue research will save your life you will accept the cure and overlook the necessary use of the fetal tissue (from elective abortions) to give you that cure?

    Planned Parenthood provides affordable health care for woman. It prevents abortions and saves many woman’s lives.

    Federal money does not pay for abortions. It pays for preventative, prenatal and acute care for woman.

    I am not xenophobic so I don’t feel that I need to just buy “American”.

    And as was originally mentioned, Trump has a racist, xenophobic and misogynistic platform. Support and defend him and vote for him if your party chooses him for you.

  • @ Shelly

    “There is actually racism and sexism in the USA…”

    We’ve come a long way from the days of Margaret Sanger, racist, eugenics promoter, and founder of the organization that YOU support, Planned Parenthood.

    Sanger shaped the eugenics movement in America and beyond in the 1930s and 1940s. Her views and those of her peers in the movement contributed to compulsory sterilization laws in 30 U.S. states that resulted in more than 60,000 sterilizations of vulnerable people, including people she considered “feeble-minded,” “idiots” and “morons.”

    She even presented at a Ku Klux Klan rally in 1926 in Silver Lake, N.J. She recounted this event in her autobiography: “I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan … I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses … I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak … In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered” (Margaret Sanger, “An Autobiography,” Page 366). That she generated enthusiasm among some of America’s leading racists says something about the content and tone of her remarks.

    The above from: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/5/grossu-margaret-sanger-eugenicist/

    Quotes from Margaret Sanger from the website: http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/11/10-eye-opening-quotes-from-planned-parenthood-founder-margaret-sanger/

    “The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”

    “[We should] apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.”

    Article 1. The purpose of the American Baby Code shall be to provide for a better distribution of babies… and to protect society against the propagation and increase of the unfit.
    Article 4. NO WOMAN SHALL HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO BEAR A CHILD, and no man shall have the right to become a father, WITHOUT A PERMIT…
    Article 6. No permit for parenthood shall be valid for more than one birth.

    Give dysgenic groups [people with “bad genes”] in our population their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization.

    Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.

    We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities.  The most successful educational approach to the NEGRO is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the NEGRO population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members. End of quotes.

    We see the organization that Sanger began continuing this callous and unloving vein in the videos that reveal them (the leaders) for the immoral people they are. Even the link YOU posted, which YOU assumed supported your claims, had this to say:

    “This raised the question of whether physicians are altering abortion techniques to accommodate research requests, violating a widely held precept of research ethics. Arthur Caplan, a bioethicist at the New York University School of Medicine, dismisses the videos as “pure politics”, but some of the footage “did get my eyebrow to arch”, he says. “You can’t use a different approach to the abortion to try to preserve something. Those are just no-no’s.”

    So, when your readers see your mantra about Trump being racist because he points out the crime illegals cause (supported by Obama’s own statistics) or that he didn’t distance himself from David Duke fast enough (no speed is fast enough when liberals are targeting you), given YOUR support of an organization a REAL RACIST started, shouldn’t they rightly take YOUR words with a large grain of salt?

  • @David,
    This is a conversation between you and me. There are no readers, just us.

    You can find anything you want out there about anybody. Why don’t you actually read Margaret Sanger’s biography instead of just picking out the one sided narration you handpick. Expand you knowledge. Why don’t you actually research the whole body of knowledge instead of just the narration you choose. Because just choosing the bits you want is extremely easy. Actually opening up your mind to the whole and to knowledge is much harder.

    Woman choose to have abortions. Planned parenthood does not choose nor do physicians or hospitals. A woman chooses for herself. The fetal tissue is often used for research or not.

    You never answered the question about the life saving procedure.

    One of Planned Parenthood’s goals is to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

    Trump has a misogynistic, racist and xenophobic platform. David, you can vote for him if your party chooses him for you.

  • @David,
    Here is a good article on Margaret Sanger. The good, the bad and the reality. Or you can keep repeating the sound bites that go with your narrative.

    https://rewire.news/article/2015/08/20/false-narratives-margaret-sanger-used-shame-black-women/

  • @ Shelly

    “Expand you knowledge. Why don’t you actually research the whole body of knowledge instead of just the narration you choose.”

    Those are my exact sentiments…regarding YOU. The racist history of Margaret Sanger doesn’t appear to bother you nor does her implementation of FORCED sterilizations. Regarding sex selection abortions, for you?…yawn, and PP continues its legacy of destruction. Far from making abortions rare, they murder some 325,000 children a year. As demonstrated in the videos, PP leaders are calloused, soul less, uncaring individuals whose commitment to abortion on demand override a woman’s natural affection for children.

    It doesn’t appear to bother YOU that Hillary Clinton set out to destroy the women who her husband had abused and in the case of one, even threatening to harm her children. To YOU, Hillary took responsibility for the deaths of our Americans in Benghazi because…well, she said so. The FACT that she lied to the American public (something you see and hear with your own eyes in the video) AND to the families of the slain, is just another occasion for you to play ostrich. Ignored is the fact that Hillary had left our people in Benghazi so poorly defended in spite of the dangers and appeals for more security, their blood is on Obama and Hillary’s hands. Is this what our men in uniform can expect from a Hillary presidency?

    Hillary put the nation’s national security at risk for her own personal convenience and felt she could do so because laws don’t apply to her, she is above the law. Have you given any thought to who would blackmail Hillary first should she, God forbid, become president, the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, or others?

    The racism of the BLM movement? They get a pass from YOU. Al Sharpton? He, according to you, fights for the rights of African Americans so his racist statements and actions can be excused. David Daleiden’s (Center for Medical Progress) home is invaded on the orders of CA Attorney General, Kamala Harris, whose campaign was funded by PP, and his videos, some of which haven’t been seen, are confiscated. No comment from you on this obvious quid pro quo exercise by the AG to perhaps hide any more embarrassing videos.

    Shelly, it is like you are living in your own personal Potemkin Village ignoring the travesties perpetrated by those you champion because after all, they represent and support the politically correct view points you share…they can almost do no wrong.

  • @David,
    Did you actually read the article? It talks about the good and the bad of Margaret Sanger. Here it is again. https://rewire.news/article/2015/08/20/false-narratives-margaret-sanger-used-shame-black-women/

    You have a narrative. I get it. You are anti abortion. And so you take the information from anti abortion sites and dismiss any knowledge or historical information that deviates from what you believe is true or will support your narrative. You share information that supports your narrative and you ignore any information no matter how credible that disproves it.

    Planned Parenthood saves millions of lives and prevents millions of unwanted pregnancies.

    Trump has a racist, xenophobic, and misogynistic platform. You can vote for him if your party chooses him for you.

  • @ Shelly

    Margaret Sanger spoke at clan rallies.

    Don’t you find it ironic that you began by accusing Trump of racism (his statements regarding immigrants have been vindicated by Obama’s own crime figures) but now you are defending a real racist, Margaret Sanger? You also defended the racists in BLM; following these examples, can anyone take your statements about racism serious? Apparently, you really are quite fine with racism as long as the racists support your views.

    Yes, I did read your article. I found it refreshingly honest in that the authors, who are obvious PP supporters, acknowledge that everything stated in the articles I posted, were true. Of course they attempted to give the usual liberal lame excuses for why Sanger spoke at KKK rallies,
    There are some serious factual problems with the article as well. It makes this rather sweeping statement:

    “Nearly every major corporation that exists today was either founded by racists, employed racists, built their business on anti-Blackness and slavery, or all of the above.”

    Of course, they provide nothing to support such an assertion so any unbiased observer would reject these claims out of hand. Is, or was Apple or Microsoft racist?

    Astonishingly, the article reports internet rumor as fact:

    “But before you recoil in abject horror, remember that the KKK was a powerful political movement at the time—five U.S. presidents were members of the KKK at one point or another…”

    Serious scholars put no stock in such unsourced claims. It is an attempt by Planned Parenthood apologists to suggest belonging to the clan really wasn’t so bad…back then, and so Sanger, who spoke at a clan rally, really wasn’t so bad herself. It is no indication of good judgement on your part that you would so easily fall for such a transparent attempt at restoring Sanger’s sullied reputation.
    All of Planned Parenthood’s horses, and all of PP’s immoral women, could not put Sanger back together again.

    Again, this quote from the article YOU cited:

    “It is undeniable that Sanger espoused some problematic and racist views about Black people.”

    Here, on the false notion that 5 US presidents were KKK members as the article YOU cited claimed:

    “Many sites on the Internet claim that McKinley, Wilson, Harding, Coolidge, and Truman were all members of the KKK. However, no scholarly attribution is given for this assertion.”

    From: https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-some-U-S-Presidents-were-members-of-the-Ku-Klux-Klan

    More recently discovered info on Margaret Sanger and those who were instrumental in the founding of PP, eugenics, and euthanasia:

    http://www.lifenews.com/2014/04/02/just-discovered-letter-shows-margaret-sanger-was-part-of-euthanasia-society/

  • @David,

    You will keep on defending your narrative.

    Most of the founding fathers of this nation were racist. Read about it. Slavery was legal and we had Jim Crow laws that were accepted by many Americans until the 1960’s. Many of our leaders and Presidents, Senators, Congress, Judges, Doctors, Lawyers, Educators, etc. held racist views. Our leaders back then and now were/are flawed. They are human and products of their times and environment. No one is all good or all bad.

    Margaret Sanger worked to help women. All women. She wanted to prevent unwanted pregnancies. She worked to give woman control of their bodies.

    You are very strongly anti-abortion. What is the best way to prevent abortions? Preaching abstinence does not work. It hasn’t for thousands of years. And it is always preached primarily at woman because women bear the children and men for thousands of years can just walk away.

    Contraception and education prevents millions of unwanted pregnancies.

    Planned Parenthood’s primary goal is to keep women healthy and prevent unwanted pregnancies. For millions of women for many years Planned Parenthood was/is the only affordable, available health care option. Where are all the alternative clinics for women for health care and has anyone else worked to provide affordable yearly pap smears, mammograms, acute care, contraception, prenatal care, education?

    Some people just preach, condemn and judge women for their choices.

    The abilityto get contraception easily through the affordable care act (Obama Care) has helped reduced unwanted pregnancies.

    Trump is here and now. Trump grew up in a wealthy family. He inherited his wealth and invested it. He is not a self-made man. He is educated and yet his rhetoric is misogynistic, racist and xenophobic. He wants to be able to say anything he wants to say (true or false) but threatens to sue people when they do the same. He knows nothing about foreign policy. We live on a globe. We have to be able to work and compromise with others on this globe. Name calling and threatening to sue is not going to help. We are not better or worse than other humans in this world simply because we were lucky enough to be born in the USA. Humans are humans no matter where they were born.

    Unlike you, the thought that there is nothing we can do to come together to make things better except die and go to heaven is not something I believe. I don’t want my children to believe this either.

    So you can vote for Trump if your party picks him for you, but I will not.

  • @ Shelly

    Margaret Sanger was a racist.

    “You will keep on defending your narrative.”

    The facts do that for me, unlike your assertions.

    As is now evident, YOU don’t mind racism as long as the racists support YOUR viewpoint. Margaret Sanger worked to purify the race and in addition to speaking at Ku Klux Clan rallies, was instrumental in the implementation of FORCED STERILIZATIONS. We all wish to prevent unwanted pregnancies, only the immoral appeal to forced sterilization…like Margaret Sanger and those involved in organizations that eventually became Planned Parenthood. We see PP continuing this immoral and uncaring legacy in the Center For Medical Progress videos where even the source YOU provided spoke of how uncomfortable and what a “no no” some of the activities viewed were.

    No comment from you on the bogus info supplied by the link YOU posted attempting to restore Sanger’s tarnished image? Why do you think the author of your link made unsupportable statements about 5 American presidents’ supposed membership in the KKK, were the authors dishonest, or only incompetent? Why would you unquestioningly accept such hokum, because it comports with your world view?

    “Some people just preach, condemn and judge women for their choices.”

    Some people just preach, condemn and judge Trump for his choice of words.

    “Where are all the alternative clinics for women for health care…”

    Is your question another example of dishonesty on your part or have you really just never looked? See the below:

    http://www.freewomensclinic.com

    From the above website:

    “Before going to a place that asks for money upfront, (such as Planned Parenthood or Family Planning Associates) we suggest you seek out free help. Why? The reason is simple: free clinics do not need your money nor will they coerce you to make decisions. Free clinics offer numerous helpful services such as proof of pregnancy, abortion answers, ultrasound to see if your pregnancy is even viable etc.”

    THAT, is just one website, I could list many many more, and they have a clinic in San Clemente, one in Mission Viejo, and one in Oceanside besides the dozens of others throughout the state.

    “The abilityto get contraception easily through the affordable care act (Obama Care) has helped reduced unwanted pregnancies.”

    What horse manure; I suppose it would be useless to ask you to support such a statement. Contraceptives are neither expensive nor hard to get and failure to use them is NOT the fault of someone else.

    While we’re on Obama Care, did it bother you that Obama lied to get Obama Care passed? Does it bother you that Obama lied when he said “if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor” and “if you like your medical plan, you can keep your plan”? He, like Hillary Clinton, is a congenital liar and apparently feels no shame in such lies.

    “Name calling and threatening…”

    You mean like Hillary’s “vast right wing conspiracy”? Or her going after the women her husband abused? Threatening to harm Juanita Broaddrick’s children? And as for my party picking Trump FOR ME, it appears the Democratic Party has already picked Hillary for YOU and did so long ago. Unless she is wearing the orange jump suit and inhabiting the jail house she so richly deserves, she appears headed for the White House, or at least the Democratic nominee.

    “Unlike you, the thought that there is nothing we can do to come together to make things better except…”

    I see you’re still fond of straw man arguments; nothing I’ve said could lead you to this statement but your own leftist ideology. Did you happen to miss this in my response to Joanna?

    “I believe one solution to minimizing race based discrimination is to mix the races together, to intermarry and produce children of mixed race. In addition to being sick of the violence, intermarriage between Catholics and Protestants has helped ease some of the tensions in Northern Ireland. It is not a perfect solution, it certainly won’t work in Israel, but it is a voluntary mechanism that moves the ball down the court toward peaceful coexistence.”

    Shelly, your appeal to logical fallacies, bogus info from PP apologists, defense of racists because they support your views, hypocritical attacks on Trump, and unwillingness to acknowledge what your eyes and ears tell you from the videos of Hillary lying to the American public on Benghazi, to the testimony of our heroes as to the stand down order, and the evil perpetrated in PP clinics, does not speak well of you. It does one no harm to be honest and up front about information; denial of reality doesn’t make it any less real.

  • @David,

    What you cite about just about anything are not all factual. You have gathered material from sites that support your narrative. Your Margaret Sanger narrative is from anti-abortion sites and Ben Carson. Margaret Sanger pushed for the birth control rights for women and wanted every child to be a wanted child. Actually research and read about her instead of just molding and accepting a narrative that you didn’t come up with but is all over the anti-abortion sites and much has been disproved many times.

    Margaret Sanger was not perfect. She was a woman fighting for the reproductive rights of all women.. She did not fight for abortion or forced sterilization.

    I don’t believe in eugenics and she did and so did many other people of her time. Her eugenic theory was not race based. She did not seek to limit any race. But I don’t support her eugenics theories.

    I support her fight for women to have the ability to be educated about reproduction and to seek out contraception and prevent venereal diseases. I support her fight for women, children and families to be healthy.

    For much of Margaret Sanger’s life women could not even vote.

    So are you prepared to denounce George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Andrew Jackson, etc. who were all slave owners? Do you consider them to be our founding fathers?

    Hillary made mistakes about Benghazi and she has admitted and has taken responsibility for these mistakes. It was chaotic and terrible. You are outraged because you feel she lied about whether it was a riot or a terrorist attack, but you are not outraged about the Bush Administration lying to Congress and the American people about Iraq and Hussein. We went to war because of the Bush Administration lies. There was absolutely no link between Hussein, 911 and al quaeda, dnd absolutely no substantial proof there were WMDs. And yes, the Bush Administration knew that there was not link or proof of WMDs. It was political and thousands of Americans and thousands of Iraqis died because of it.

    Your Hillary comments are not based on facts but on hearsay.

    We all have seen and heard what Trump has said and done. It is not hearsay. He defends his xenophobic, racist, misogynistic platform.

    Vote for him if your party picks him for you. I will vote for Bernie or Hillary.

    Sorry, but you are wrong about Obama care.. Obama care has made health care affordable for millions of Americans, millions of these are women. I have many friends who are able for the first time able to go to the doctor and get preventative care because of Obama care.

    Birth control is covered under the Affordable Care Act.

    My heaven remark was in response to your statements.

    ;”“In essence, we are all brothers and sisters, and there should be no place for prejudice and hatred of others.” (Joanna)

    There shouldn’t be but there is and always has been and by stating the obvious, it doesn’t make it any less frequent. (David)

    “Can you imagine a world where people loved each other this way?” (Joanna)

    I don’t have to…it WILL happen, just not this side of heaven.” (Daviid)

    And David, I and many of my friends are women.. When I was working my way through college as a waitress, ice cream truck driver, babysitter, phlebotomist, etc the only affordable health care clinic for women to get their yearly exam and preventative cancer screenings and acute care was Planned Parenthood. I am not making it up. There was just nothing else.

    • @ Shelly

      What I cite IS factual. For example, just watch the video I posted above of Hillary AND Obama lying about Benghazi, claiming the attack was due to a video. You won’t comment on it because in light of the fact that Hillary had ALREADY stated that the attack was NOT due to a video, it is inherently obvious to the most casual observer that she and Obama are lying. Play ostrich all you want, it won’t change the facts, Hillary and Obama are liars.

      Did you watch the interview with the special forces soldiers given the “stand down order”? Why would they be lying on this issue?

      As far as the racist Margaret Sanger is concerned, if you feel there is exculpatory evidence in her favor, then YOU research it and provide the information. Her own documented statements and actions condemn her. As I stated before, you don’t appear to be bothered by racism as long as the racists support YOUR views.

      “Margaret Sanger pushed for the birth control rights for women and wanted every child to be a wanted child.”

      Yes, and she stated unequivocally that some children should be put to death. See here from Sanger:

      “The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”

      “I support her fight for women, children and families to be healthy.”

      No, she supported murdering children, apparently even after they’re born; see above quote on “one of its infant members”.

      The founders of Planned Parenthood had more ties to Hitler than just a shared vision. Their board of directors included avowed Nazi supporters like Dr. Lothrop Stoddard (who authored The Rising Tide of Color Against White Supremacy and another praising the Nazi sterilization law). They used their official publication to spread Nazi propaganda. In April of 1933, Birth Control Review published an article by Dr. Ernst Rubin, who was Hitler’s director of genetic sterilization and a founder of the Nazi Society for Racial Hygiene. In this article Dr. Rubin wrote:

      “The danger to the community of the unsegregated feeble-minded woman is more evident. Most dangerous are the middle and high grades living at large who, despite the fact that their defect is not easily recognizable, should nevertheless be prevented from procreation. . . In my view we should act without delay.”

      Prof. Dr. Ernst Rudin, head of Nazi Germany’s eugenics program.
      “Eugenics Sterlization: An Urgent Need.” – Birth Control Review,
      Volume XVII, Number 4 (April 1933), pp. 102-4.

      Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, made Lothrop Stoddard a board member of the forerunner to PP (the Birth Control League). Why was the Birth Control League reconstituted as Planned Parenthood? The ‘Nazi smell’ of BCL was so bad, that some ‘cosmetics’ were required.

      The above from: http://www.spectacle.org/997/richmond.html

      “…Sanger commenced her “Negro Project” to promote birth control among blacks. “The mass of significant Negroes still breed carelessly and disastrously,” wrote Sanger’s Birth Control Federation, “with the result that the increase among Negroes . . . is [in] that portion of the population least intelligent and fit.”

      Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422557/what-ben-carson-knows-about-planned-parenthood-ian-tuttle

      At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the “black” and “yellow” peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger’s American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

      Sanger’s other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as “scientific” and “humanitarian.”

      The above from: https://lexingtonlibertarian.wordpress.com/tag/lothrop-stoddard/

      “This unending desire by the left to defend utterly everything about Planned Parenthood and its founder, Sanger, no matter how ugly, really is quite astonishing.”

      The above from: http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/dr-paul-kengor/was-margaret-sanger-racist

      “…the Bush Administration lying to Congress …”

      Since you have consistently failed to address the evidence I provided demonstrating Bush didn’t lie, your statement is nothing more than a leftist smear with little to commend it. Please address the evidence I provided before you make such an assertion or the reader may rightly conclude you have no credibility. Again, repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.

      “He defends his xenophobic, racist, misogynistic platform.”

      That’s your opinion and as you have aptly demonstrated, your opinion is UNtrustworthy.

      Obama Care is driving doctors into retirement. I just spoke to a nurse friend last night who said she knows three doctors who simply retired because they were fed up with Obama Care. No comment from you on Obama lying to the American people to get Obama Care passed?

      “Obama care has made health care affordable…”

      And threw a lot of people OFF of their health care plans. Why are so many medical exchanges closing down their businesses in the wake of Obama Care? See this article titled “Is the Obama Care Death Spiral Underway? http://patriotpost.us/posts/41317

      A quote from the above: A year ago the CBO expected around 21 million Americans to be enrolled in 2016. But by January the CBO made a mammoth change, calling for only 13 million. And if the Kaiser Family Foundation is correct, that’s not too far from what will probably be the total number of consumers for the foreseeable future. Kaiser says “the 12.7 million signups so far represent 46% of the ‘potential market’ for the marketplaces,” and an extrapolation of current trends suggests an “‘effectuated’ enrollment total of 14.7 million,” or what it describes as “a reasonable estimate of a ceiling on what marketplace enrollment could grow to over the next several years, assuming current levels of premium subsidies and outreach.”

      Or this one: Obama Care Nearing the Tipping Point of Failure http://patriotpost.us/posts/41914

      Or this quote: Last week, Health Republic Insurance of Oregon filed a class action complaint against the Obama administration in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims in Washington, DC. The company, one of the 23 original non-profit, consumer oriented and operated insurance plans, closed its doors at the end of 2015, leaving thousands of customers in the lurch. They did so despite receiving $60.6 million in taxpayer-backed loans. Now they are seeking $2.5 billion, and Health Republic CEO Dawn Bonder hopes other insurance providers will join to win as much as $5 billion.

      What did you think of the cost and problems with the Obama Care roll out? The Obama administration has been utterly incompetent on this issue.

      “Birth control is covered under the Affordable Care Act.”

      Great, does Obama Care also cover other expensive items such as bandaids, aspirin, and Q-tips?

      “…the only affordable health care clinic for women to get their yearly exam and preventative cancer screenings…”

      Perhaps if PP ever stops murdering the pre-born, I’ll support them too.

      “When I was working my way through college as a waitress, ice cream truck driver, babysitter, phlebotomist, etc…”

      Outstanding (no sarcasm)! So how do you feel when otherwise healthy people demand that others support their indolent life style (I’m not referring to those simply needing a hand up or temporary help to get on their feet)?

  • @David,
    What site is factual? Not biased sites. Many different references, historical journals, vetted papers are the way to research things. And accept the good and the bad. Not just find a narrative and ignore things that disprove it.. Not conspiracy theories.

    An anti-Muslim video was shown. People rioted. At the time of Benghazi, no one really knew what it was about because it was a crisis. Riot, angry people or terrorists, it was an attack on an under protected embassy. No one knew precisely what was going on at the time because it was a Crisis. People have made it political. There have been two REPUBLICAN committees convened. Neither has shown that any wrong doing occurred or that Hillary Clinton or President Obama lied. .

    On the other hand, there is absolute proof that there was no connection between 911 and Hussein. And there was no proof at the time the Bush Administration took to war but the administration kept telling us there was a link. There were no WMD’s. The information was based on extremely shakey intelligence and the Bush Administration knew it was shakey. The Bush Administration lied in order to take us to war with Iraq.

    There were tremendous mistakes made with the roll out of Obama Care but for many it has saved their lives. It has provided millions of people with the ability to seek health care.

    • @ Shelly

      “Not just find a narrative and ignore things that disprove it..”

      That is precisely what you’re doing. I provide you with video evidence and the transcript of the testimony, and you ignore it in favor of your own narrative.

      I’ll go over this real slowly.

      Fact, there was NO riot or protest in Benghazi and recall that the attack happened on 9/11, no coincidence there. There was NEVER any suggestion by the intelligence community that this was an attack resulting from a video. Victoria Nuland specifically told Clinton there was no connection between Cairo (where there had been a protest) and Benghazi where there wasn’t one.

      On the night of the attack, Hillary e-mailed her daughter and told her TERRORISTS had attacked the Embassy in Libya (no mention of an internet video). Hillary also told the Egyptian Prime Minister and the Libyan President the same thing.
      Those communications were all within the first 24 hours of the attack.
      In the video up above, you see and hear Hillary first, then Obama, blame the attack on the internet video; this is AFTER she had communicated with her daughter, the Egyptian Prime Minister and the President of Libya. This is testimony from the hearings YOU falsely claim had exonerated Hillary. Perhaps you made the mistake of, carte blanche, accepting uncritically what the liberal media reported because they hailed Hillary’s performance as a great success but neglected to mention how she been caught in ANOTHER lie (her lies are so numerous, maybe they’re just not newsworthy anymore).

      Here again, the transcript of the C-SPAN recording of the hearings:
      – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
      I want to show you a few things here. You’re looking at an e- mail you sent to your family.

      Here’s what you said at 11:00 that night, approximately one hour after you told the American people it was a video, you say to your family, “Two officers were killed today in Benghazi by an Al Qaeda- like group.”

      You tell — you tell the American people one thing, you tell your family an entirely different story.

      Also on the night of the attack, you had a call with the president of Libya. Here’s what you said to him.

      “Ansar al-Sharia is claiming responsibility.”

      It’s interesting; Mr. Khattala, one of the guys arrested in charge actually belonged to that group.

      And finally, most significantly, the next day, within 24 hours, you had a conversation with the Egyptian prime minister.

      You told him this, “We know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest.”

      Let me read that one more time.

      “We know,” not we think, not it might be, “we know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest.”

      State Department experts knew the truth. You knew the truth. But that’s not what the American people got. And again, the American people want to know why.
      – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
      End of transcript.

      Here is the C-Span video of the relevant portion:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUObFqU5cgE

      Again, real slowly now, we have the e-mails, phone conversations, and the time they were delivered, AND we know what she told her daughter, the Egyptian Prime Minister, and the President of Libya, was NOT what she told the American people…she lied, and so did Obama.

      Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge the obvious…that Hillary Clinton is a congenital liar just as William Safir said she was. I would go so far as to say she is a bigger liar than any politician on the scene today and bigger by far than Nixon ever was.

      Just google Hillary lies and you’ll be inundated with a plethora of whoppers. I warn you though, if you like Hillary, you’re going to hear some hard truth, even Elizabeth Warren is blasting her:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

      Although not on Benghazi, see the above to get a sense of the depth of her lies; watch how she handles her lies about how she landed under sniper fire in Bosnia, starts about 8:45 and ends about 11:00.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMpqImAjel4

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCYI7rppBOE

      On the Iraq War, you still keep repeating your claims without addressing the evidence I present. Why did the UN chief weapons inspector, Hans Blix, acknowledge that HE believed Saddam had WMD?
      Why did all those Democrats including both Bill and Hillary Clinton state categorically that Saddam had WMD?
      Why did George Tenet, the CIA director claim it was a slam dunk that Saddam had WMD?
      Why did all 15 intelligence agencies support Tenet in his confidence that Saddam had WMD?
      Why did the other western nations believe Saddam had WMD including Russia?
      You cannot credibly claim that Bush lied unless and until you answer those questions and thus far, you haven’t even tried. Instead, you keep peddling YOUR opinion regardless of how many facts are mustered that debunk your claims. You are guilty of the very thing you accuse me of, ignoring things that disprove your narrative.

      Hillary and Obama are liars, George Bush is not.

      • @David,
        Here is an interview with Hans Blix.

        http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/03/18_blix.shtml

        “Speaking on the anniversary of the United States’ invasion of Iraq, originally declared as a pre-emptive strike against a madman ready to deploy weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), the man first charged with finding those weapons said that the U.S. government has “the same mind frame as the witch hunters of the past” — looking for evidence to support a foregone conclusion.

        “There were about 700 inspections, and in no case did we find weapons of mass destruction,” said Hans Blix, the Swedish diplomat called out of retirement to serve as the United Nations’ chief weapons inspector from 2000 to 2003; from 1981 to 1997 he headed the International Atomic Energy Agency. “We went to sites [in Iraq] given to us by intelligence, and only in three cases did we find something” – a stash of nuclear documents, some Vulcan boosters, and several empty warheads for chemical weapons. More inspections were required to determine whether these findings were the “tip of the iceberg” or simply fragments remaining from that deadly iceberg’s past destruction, Blix said he told the United Nations Security Council. However, his work in Iraq was cut short when the United States and the United Kingdom took disarmament into their own hands in March of last year. “

  • @David,
    Your statement is vague. Who are you talking about in this statement? Be specific.

    “So how do you feel when otherwise healthy people demand that others support their indolent life style (I’m not referring to those simply needing a hand up or temporary help to get on their feet)?”

    • @ Shelly

      Regarding Hans Blix:

      You forgot this quote from the very interview YOU linked to, a quote I previously cited for you but which you obviously ignored in favor of your own leftist narrative:

      Blix has written a new book, “Disarming Iraq,” about the events leading up to the war. During that period he was lambasted by both doves and hawks: by the former for failing to state unequivocally that Iraq had no WMDs, and by the latter for failing to find them. As he explained Wednesday night, part of the problem was that he himself had believed the weapons probably existed. “I’m not here to have gut feelings,” he said. “But yes, in December 2002 I thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.”

      You ignored Blix when he said Bush believed Saddam had WMD:

      Amanpour pressed him to identify the source of that momentum – in effect, why did the U.S. invasion of Iraq seem in retrospect such a foreordained action? Partly it was because, despite the lack of evidence for remaining WMDs, the Bush administration continued to believe in them, Blix said. Although he places some of the blame on a failure of U.S. intelligence processes – the Pentagon relied too much on its own “silo” of sources rather than more heavily vetted intelligence from the CIA and the State Department, as has been documented extensively by Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker – the real problem was the lack of “critical thinking,” he argued.

      You made no comment on all the citations I provided of Democrats, including Bill and Hillary Clinton, stating Saddam had WMD. No reference from you on the fact that George Tenet, the CIA director, stated that it was a slam dunk that Saddam had WMD and he had the backing of all 15 intelligence gathering bodies. Were all these Democrats simply lying? All the intelligence agencies lying? Was Hans Blix, who said HE believed Saddam had WMD lying? Does the fact that Blix said he believed Bush believed Saddam had WMD make no impression on you?
      George Bush told the truth, he was just wrong…unless the WMD made its way to Syria.

      Your habit of repeating falsehoods on infinitum ad nauseum will not change the fact that they are false…it will only reflect poorly on you.

      • @David,
        Democrats, Hans Blix and many suspected Hussein of possessing WMD’s, but they did not rush us into a war without proof. The UN and many nations did not back the US because there was no proof. President Clinton did not take us to war based on suspicion. He did not have proof so he did not take us to war. And it turns out that there were no WMDs. The Bush Administration pushed us into a war that caused the death of thousands of Americans and Iraqis based on suspicions and lies not proof. The Bush Administration LIED when they told the American public that there was a link between Hussein and al Qaeda. They knew there was no link and they had no proof of WMDs. . There intelligence was an article in the paper whose source was questionable and not substantiated..

        President Bush directly links Iraq to al Qaeda in this speech even though he knew there was no link. Iraq was disarmed and did not have WMDs. The United Nation Security Council did not agree with President Bush because Bush had no proof. He took us into a war that caused thousands of deaths based on lies and unsubstantiated claims.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr7OKqqTb_o

        The Republican candidate for President who you say you will vote for President if your party picks him for you even thinks President Bush lied to the American public about the Iraq war.

  • @David,
    As I stated before, you take all your information from anti abortion sites and do not look deeper.

    “What it became was not the project Sanger had first envisioned. As she wrote in an initial fund-raising request to Albert Lasker, the wealthy advertising executive just beginning his post-business career in medical philanthropy, she simply hoped to help “a group notoriously underprivileged and handicapped to a large measure by a ‘caste’ system that operates as an added weight upon their efforts to get a fair share of the better things in life. To give them the means of helping themselves is perhaps the richest gift of all. We believe birth control knowledge brought to this group, is the most direct, constructive aid that can be given them to improve their immediate situation.” Sanger viewed the Negro Project as another effort to help African-Americans gain better access to safe contraception and maintain birth control services in their community as she had attempted to do in Harlem a decade earlier when Sanger’s Birth Control Clinical Research Bureau (BCCRB), in cooperation with the New York Urban League, opened a birth control clinic there. (MS to Lasker, July 10, 1939, Mary Lasker Papers, Columbia University (to be microfilmed in a later addendum to the MSM)”
    https://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/articles/bc_or_race_control.php

    • @ Shelly

      http://dailysignal.com/2016/04/20/in-the-market-for-fetal-body-parts-a-babys-brain-sells-for-3340/

      From the above site:

      “It is just horrifying,” Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., who leads the House’s investigation of the fetal tissue industry, told The Daily Signal. “They are putting a dollar value on these organs from these children—unborn children that have been aborted. It is just beyond belief.”

      According to Republicans involved in the investigation, a researcher paid a middleman procurement company $3,340 for a fetal brain, $595 for a “baby skull matched to upper and lower limbs,” and $890 for “upper and lower limbs with hands and feet.”

      Middleman procurement businesses are companies that obtain tissue and other body parts from aborted babies and provide them to institutions or other organizations for research. Under federal law, the transportation of fetal tissue is based on a nonprofit model.

      The committee’s documents, which will be used today in a House hearing on the pricing of fetal tissue, include payments made from a middleman procurement company to an abortion clinic on a monthly basis. Those dollar amounts range from $6,010 to $11,365.

      Over the span of a year, one research institution paid a middleman company $42,535 to obtain 38 fetal brains, 12 fetal hearts, three fetal upper/lower limbs, five fetal livers, and 12 fetal pancreases, according to the select House panel’s documents.

      Among documents uncovered in the investigation is an image of a procurement company marketing itself to abortion clinics as “financially profitable.”

      These monsters in the abortion industry are following the heartless, callous, and uncaring example of Margaret Sanger and her racist pals in the Birth Control League (which became PP). Do you remember this quote?

      The founders of Planned Parenthood had more ties to Hitler than just a shared vision. Their board of directors included avowed Nazi supporters like Dr. Lothrop Stoddard (who authored The Rising Tide of Color Against White Supremacy and another praising the Nazi sterilization law). How about this one?

      At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the “black” and “yellow” peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger’s American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

      Remember, Sanger spoke at a clan rally and advocated for FORCED sterilizations.
      Your attempts to rehabilitate this despicable woman is mission impossible and will do nothing but reflect poorly on you.

      • @David,

        You seem to not want to read anything but anti-abortion sites about Margaret Sanger. I suggest that you actually read some historical documents and articles instead of relying on a biased narrative.

        Since you seem to rely heavily on youtube and internet snipets for your knowledge here is a a check on Snopes about Sanger and the KKK.

        http://www.snopes.com/margaret-sanger-kkk/

  • @David,

    At the time of the attack no one knew exactly what it was. It was an attack. It was an attack at the same time many people were rioting in the Middle East because of an anti Islam video. We know now exactly what it was. But in the middle of the night it was a crisis. When someone is attacking our embassy no matter who they are they are terrorists.

    People have made the semantics of this a political rallying cry. And yet those same people will defend the Bush Administration’s lies to the American people that caused thousands of deaths. If you are going to be outraged about people lying to you then why aren’t you outraged about the Bush Administration’s lies.

    I believe under staffing the security of that it is partially Secretary Clinton’s fault. I do not fault her for terrorists attacking our embassy just like I do not fault President Bush for terrorists attacking the Twin Towers and the Pentagon and taking town Flight 93. These all were the action of terrorists.

    Secretary Clinton has taken responsibility. President Bush has not.

    This article was about Trump and his misogynistic, racist and xenophobic platform. I heard an interview yesterday with columnist,, Linda Stasi, for the New York Daily News who is married to Trump’s lawyer.and this is her opinion about Donald Trump.

    “…As a woman and as a New Yorker, I do not understand this whole racist-biggot-sexist thing with Donald. I’ve known him for many, many years, I’ve never known him to be a racist, a biggot, a sexist.”’

    “Do you think Donald Trump is those things now – a racist, a biggot and a sexist?” (Robin Young)

    ;“I think that he is – he knows how to win and he looked at the field and he said ‘These are the guys who are not being talked to. These are the disenfranchised blue collar workers who have this secret racism behind them, and I’m going to hit them.’ And now he’s become the monster that he created.”’

    http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2016/04/18/new-york-daily-news-linda-stasi

    You can vote for Trump if your party chooses him for you. I will not.

    • @ Shelly
      Thanks for confirming that as a leftist, you don’t let facts, evidence (video & congressional testimony) or common sense deter you from the narrative you peddle. It is difficult to have a conversation with people when there is no longer any shared agreement on the basic meaning of words and in this case, what a lie is. When Hillary Clinton knowingly tells the American people and the families of our slain citizens something she knows to be false, to us old fashioned folks, that is a lie. But in liberal speak (or in this example, Shelly speak), saying something you know to be false is not a lie IF the person lying is somebody you support. Conversely, for those who think the dictionary has something worthwhile to contribute, stating what you sincerely believe to be fact, even if it turns out later to be wrong, is not a lie. But in the world of liberal speak, passion and desire trump here-to-for accepted dictionary meanings such that those liberals wish to vilify, are liars even if they state what they truly believe if their views are later determined to be wrong.

      Hence, you Shelly are moved not an inch by the congressional testimony documenting that Hillary KNEW the Benghazi attack was NOT due to a video…she even stated as much. Later, she and the liar-in-chief, Obama (who perpetuated this lie for 2 weeks for his own gain), lied to the American public claiming the attack was due to a spontaneous protest (even though she knew there was NO PROTEST in Benghazi) over an internet video. She then lied to the families of our slain Americans and then lied claiming she didn’t tell the families what she had just told the American people, essentially calling the families liars.

      So what is your excuse for Hillary’s lie claiming she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary, the Kiwi who climbed MT. Everest, even though she was born six years before Sir Edmund performed this feat?

      How about the whopper Hillary told of landing in Bosnia under sniper fire when video evidence demonstrates she did not? How about her lies to attempt to recover from this lie…that she was sleep deprived when she made the statement even though she had made this claim (and its on video) on several different occasions?

      Is Hillary for or against homosexuals getting married…she has held both positions. Yes, most politicians change their position on some issue, but Hillary lied claiming she never changed hers; video evidence demonstrates she is lying.

      Is Hillary for or against NAFTA? She has changed her position, first being for it, now against it, but what is despicable, is her claiming she never changed her position, she lied.

      See more Hillary Clinton lies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpPrhkmV_rA

      Here is where she is caught lying about her e-mail server:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr5yF7oMXk0

      Is it any wonder William Safir called her a congenital liar?

  • @David,

    “Speaking on the anniversary of the United States’ invasion of Iraq, originally declared as a pre-emptive strike against a madman ready to deploy weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), the man first charged with finding those weapons said that the U.S. government has “the same mind frame as the witch hunters of the past” — looking for evidence to support a foregone conclusion.

    “There were about 700 inspections, and in no case did we find weapons of mass destruction,” said Hans Blix, the Swedish diplomat called out of retirement to serve as the United Nations’ chief weapons inspector from 2000 to 2003; from 1981 to 1997 he headed the International Atomic Energy Agency. “We went to sites [in Iraq] given to us by intelligence, and only in three cases did we find something” – a stash of nuclear documents, some Vulcan boosters, and several empty warheads for chemical weapons. More inspections were required to determine whether these findings were the “tip of the iceberg” or simply fragments remaining from that deadly iceberg’s past destruction, Blix said he told the United Nations Security Council. However, his work in Iraq was cut short when the United States and the United Kingdom took disarmament into their own hands in March of last year.

    Blix accused U.S. President George W. Bush and U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair of acting not in bad faith, but with a severe lack of “critical thinking.” The United States and Britain failed to examine the sources of their primary intelligence – Iraqi defectors with their own agendas for encouraging regime change – with a skeptical eye, he alleged.”

    http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/03/18_blix.shtml

  • @David,

    Sorry, but President Bush lied and so did his administration. Most nations did not support his rush to war with Iraq. You are rewriting history to say so. His administration and he, himself kept telling us there was a link between al Quaeda and Hussein knowing full well there absolutely was not link.

    He and his administration were told that the evidence of WMD’s was shakey and not even substantiated and they were told that inspectors found no proof there were any. They believed a reporter and her shakey source. And as Hans Brinx says, “the U.S. government has “the same mind frame as the witch hunters of the past” — looking for evidence to support a foregone conclusion.”.

    Thousands of Americans and Iraqi’s died because the Bush Administration took us to war with Iraq based on shakey evidence and a false link between Hussein and al Qaeda they knew was not true.

    The Republican frontrunner for president, Donald Trump, attacked Jeb Bush because of his brother’s, (President George W. Bush’s) involvement in the Iraq War. Trump believes the Bush Administration lied about the Iraq war and he is your frontrunner. Republicans are supporting him and not Jeb Bush. So it is not a liberal thing.

    Trump, “”They lied. They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none, and they knew there were none.”

    There have been 7 investigations into the Benghazi attack. . They have found that security was lax, but they have not found that anyone lied. Secretary Clinton and President Obama both took responsibility for this the lack of security. Intelligence reports were that it was an attack on the embassy caused by the anti-Islam video. You can buy into the conspiracy theories and only consult sites that support your rhetoric and attempt to make it seem true by reposting and reposting.

    The sad thing is that Benghazi now to the Republicans has become a political tool and has nothing to do with the people who died there. It is political.

    “Last month’s report from the House Intelligence Committee echoed past investigations when it found no evidence that the State Department issued a stand-down order to stop rescuers from reaching the Benghazi complex. Instead, investigators said State Department officials in Libya coordinated with the CIA, which provided security personnel, including two people killed in the attack.

    A February report from the House Armed Services Committee said the Defense Department ordered some military personnel to remain in Libya’s capital, Tripoli, out of concern that the Benghazi strike may have been the start of coordinated attacks around the country. A commander characterized it as a strategic decision to protect the American Embassy in the capital, not a stand-down order.”http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-benghazi-probes-20141204-story.html

    Trump has a racist, xenophobic and misogynist platform. Vote for him if your party picks him for you. I will not. I will vote for Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton.

  • @David,

    I suggest that you actually read the biography of Margaret Sanger and journal articles rather than just gather all your material and knowledge from anti-abortion sites that give you sites and quotes for you to copy and paste.

    I suggest that you look at both sides of any issue and read sites that are not biased on all issues. .There are liberal sites and conservative sites and then there are respected journal and historical articles. Read some of those on all issues. Instead of just labeling people and asking them to read slowly why not open your mind to other possibilities and realize that the world really isn’t made up of two sides. There is reality and then there is perceived reality.

    • @ Shelly

      “There is reality and then there is perceived reality.”

      Yes, I agree; there is the reality that Hillary Clinton lied regarding Benghazi as she has so many times previously and as she continues to do to this day. She is a serial liar, one who is no doubt vulnerable to black mail from America’s enemies now that she has unwisely and illegally used a personal e-mail server. Then there is your perceived reality where you can watch videos of Hillary lying and then claim that it was all confusing, and that Hillary really didn’t lie…despite the video evidence. There is also the video evidence of wrong doing by PP where even the link you posted spoke of disturbing images that are NO no’s.

      There is the case where you tarred and feathered the entire European migration here based on one incident, Ft. Pitt (claiming millions died), yet brand Trump a racist because he points to the hundreds of thousands of criminal acts by illegal aliens. The statistics for these criminal acts are backed up by Obama’s own administration (Trump’s statement was still foolish and idiotic).

      Regarding the war in Iraq, you have failed to provide any kind of answer (other than to endlessly repeat your charges) for the information I provided which included statements from numerous high ranking Democrats, Bill and Hillary, CIA Director, George Tenet, and the chief weapon’s inspector, Hans Blix.

      I respond well to fact based information but so far, you’ve mostly just shared your opinion which invariably was at odds with the facts.

      I leave you with this to ponder on where today’s society is headed (and the rot of political correctness that is driving us there).

      Carle Zimmerman, a distinguished sociologist who taught for many years at Harvard University, wrote Family and Civilization where he identified 11 symptoms observable in the fall of both the Greek and Roman empires:
      o No-fault divorce
      o Increased disrespect for parents
      o Meaningless marriage rites
      o Common acceptance of sexual perversions
      o Rebellious children
      o Acceptance of alternative definitions of marriage

      Edward Gibbon in his work, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, says that the decline of religion and the sanctity of the family and home were major factors in the fall of the Roman Empire.”

      Zimmerman wrote this work back in 1947 before the decline in American morals and the lunacy and and confusion wrought by political correctness.

      • @David,

        President Clinton did not take us to war with Iraq based on suspicions. That is the fact. They may have suspected that Hussein had WMD’s but suspecting something and actual proof are two different things. He did not take us into a war based on shaky intelligence. Guess what, David. there were no WMD’s. President Clinton did not take us into a war where thousands of Americans and Iraqis died and a war that destabilized the whole area. FACT

        President Bush and his administration knowingly lied when they linked al Qaeda to Hussein. FACT.

        Europeans brought small pox and diseases that killed millions of Native Americans. And sometimes they did it on purpose. FACT

        I am not the one overlooking racism or supporting a racist candidate. The original opinion was about Trumps racist, xenophobic and misogynistic platform. You don’t actually address this ever. You accept it. You try to distract by bringing up Hillary, Obama, Planned Parenthood, etc. And as I said before nobody is forcing Trump to say anything. It is you who seems to tolerate racism, misogyny and xenophobia from the person you will vote for if your party picks him for you.

        I don’t believe your Hillary bashing and Obama bashing narrative. So just keep on posting from biased sites and I will keep on ignoring it. I don’t watch TMZ, read the enquirer or the Sun either.

        I actually posted articles that presented the good and bad of things but I don’t really believe you actually read them. So no, David, you don’t look at factual or fair information.

        As I stated before open your mind. Many of us don’t want to go back to 1947. Women don’t need to shut up and be controlled by their spouses. LGBT people don’t need to go back into the closet in order for our civilization to survive. LGBT people are allowed to MARRY and raise children. It makes the world a better place!

        You seem to be copy and pasting the Christian right message that is all over the internet.

  • @ Shelly

    “I suggest that you look at both sides of any issue and read sites that are not biased on all issues.”

    It is manifestly obvious that yours is not a suggestion you apply to yourself. I viewed and read all the links you provided me, can you say the same of my links? This is how I knew the article you posted from the PP apologist was appealing to bogus information (re: 5 presidents who supposedly were KKK members) , which I pointed out to you. No comment from you on this bogus information that I can only assume YOU believed since you posted the article.

    Did you happen to notice, or do you even bother to read what I write, that I not only read an article Joanna posted, but recommended others read it as well? How does that fit in with your false charge against me?

    Remember me quoting from this article YOU posted?

    Uncomfortable viewing
    The Planned Parenthood videos caused even some supporters of fetal tissue research to feel uncomfortable. In one video, physician Deborah Nucatola, the group’s senior director of medical services, describes how she crushes fetuses above and below key organs to preserve them intact for research. She also described turning a fetus into a breech presentation to deliver the head last, when the cervix is more dilated, thus preserving the brain.

    This raised the question of whether physicians are altering abortion techniques to accommodate research requests, violating a widely held precept of research ethics. Arthur Caplan, a bioethicist at the New York University School of Medicine, dismisses the videos as “pure politics”, but some of the footage “did get my eyebrow to arch”, he says. “You can’t use a different approach to the abortion to try to preserve something. Those are just no-no’s.”

    NO no’s, meaning PP was doing something wrong, unethical, or both; and this from an article YOU posted!

    You obviously didn’t notice that the article you posted of the Hans Blix interview was previously cited by ME. After accusing the Bush administration of lying, you posted this interview as an attempt to support your false accusation. It is manifest that you are incapable of understanding what evidentiary support is because far from supporting you, Blix stated that the Bush administration BELIEVED Saddam had WMD, AND, that he, Hans Blix also believed Saddam had WMD. See here from Hans Blix:

    “As he explained Wednesday night, part of the problem was that he himself had believed the weapons probably existed. “I’m not here to have gut feelings,” he said. “But yes, in December 2002 I thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.” Blix continues: “…why did the U.S. invasion of Iraq seem in retrospect such a foreordained action? Partly it was because, despite the lack of evidence for REMAINING WMDs, the BUSH ADMINISTRATION CONTINUED TO BELIEVE IN THEM, Blix said.

    Blix criticized the Bush administration and perhaps some of his criticism is merited, but remember that he also had previously failed to find WMD when in fact they did exist, and the administration may not have been willing to trust his judgement too thoroughly, to risk another failure to discover. See again from the interview:

    “Amanpour brought up how Blix’s credibility as an inspector had been attacked by Vice President Dick Cheney, among others, for his failure as head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to detect Iraq’s advanced nuclear weapons program, discovered only after the end of the 1991 Gulf War. Blix accepted responsibility for that failure, and said that the system of inspections had been vastly improved since then.”

    I am not afraid of truth nor the free market place of ideas. Leftists are and this is demonstrated by their consistent negation of free speech on the part of those they disagree with. Did you see that Kamala Harris, the CA AG who raided David Daleiden’s home so she could confiscate his videos of PP’s wrong doing, is now going after Exxon for fraud because they don’t accept the theory of Climate Change?

    Since you continue to keep your blinders on regarding Hillary Clinton’s lie about Benghazi, please explain how it is not a lie when Clinton knowingly makes a false statement. Why is that not a lie?

    “I suggest that you actually read the biography of Margaret Sanger and journal articles…”

    You mean like the one YOU posted containing the bogus information? Have you read a biography of Margaret Sanger and if so, why are you incapable of providing exculpatory information about her? Is this statement a fact or do you have information that suggests it is untrue?

    The founders of Planned Parenthood had more ties to Hitler than just a shared vision. Their board of directors included avowed Nazi supporters like Dr. Lothrop Stoddard (who authored The Rising Tide of Color Against White Supremacy and another praising the Nazi sterilization law).

    Is this a true statement or do you have info that refutes it? I am open to any and all FACTUAL information.

    At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the “black” and “yellow” peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger’s American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

    Do you have information that Sanger didn’t speak at a clan meeting?

    The gross generalization that everybody was doing it in those days won’t wash. Unless and until you can provide a satisfactory answer to these questions, it is as I’ve stated in the past: You, Shelly, have no problem with racism if the racists support your views and you will defend these racists as you have defended Margaret (the racist) Sanger.

    From your snopes article: WHAT’S TRUE: Margaret Sanger once gave a talk before a women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan.

    So what did you make of snopes’s comment on Hillary Clinton’s statement that other Secretaries of State used private e-mail, the one I posted above where they stated her claim was mostly false?

  • @David,

    I really don’t believe that you actually know anything about Margaret Sanger other than what you have read on anti -abortion sites. Your knowledge base seems very limited about Margaret Sanger. One of the articles I posted about Sanger was an opinion. It was meant to give you another perspective. I also posted other articles with her actual writings.

    Presidents did have links and courted the KKK . And many of our founding fathers owned slaves.

    I posted the Hans Blix article to show that Hans Blix didn’t really know for sure if there were WMDs and he said needed more time to investigate. He had no proof and he told everyone he had no proof. The Bush Administration pushed us to war anyway. The Bush Administration told everyone they had proof and that there was a link between Hussein and al Qaeda. Why did the Bush Administration tell the American people that there was a link between Hussein and al Qaeda when they knew there was no link?

    • @ Shelly

      “I really don’t believe that you actually know anything about Margaret Sanger…”

      It is not important what YOU believe; reality, not perception, is what is important. You stated this earlier but apparently you don’t feel it is necessary for you to demonstrate it.

      “…but I don’t really believe you actually read them.”

      Then how did I know your article presented bogus information regarding our presidents, information I can only assume YOU believed because you posted it? How would I even know that info was in there if I hadn’t read it? How was I able to copy paste the snopes article if I hadn’t read it? How was I able to recommend an article Joanna posted if I hadn’t read it? Far from me being the one unwilling to read any and all information, it is YOU who are reluctant to view material contrary to your leftist ideology as you readily admit (quoting you below).

      Your words: “I suggest that you look at both sides of any issue and read sites that are not biased on all issues.” And then:

      “So just keep on posting from biased sites and I WILL KEEP IGNORING IT.”

      You don’t feel it is necessary for YOU to look at both sides of an issue…thus, you ignore the information I provide. Is it any wonder you cling to narrow-minded, leftist views when you isolate yourself from any information that doesn’t comport with the liberal narrative? When information inconsistent with such extreme leftist views is presented, your dog-whistle reaction is to brand them biased.

      BTW, since you accuse me of posting from biased sites and since we both posted from snopes and we both posted the Hans Blix interview (me first so it was obvious you didn’t read it when I posted it), does that make you guilty, at least in your estimation, of posting from biased sites? Remember, it was you that posted the Sanger article that included false information on our presidents. Consider also that I posted from wiki and referenced an article by Washington bureau for CBS News investigative correspondent, Sharyl Attkisson. Does CBS have a conservative bias? Yours is the old liberal double standard and selective outrage.

  • @ Shelly

    FACT: Hillary Clinton lied regarding Benghazi as evidenced by her video taped address to the nation (in which Obama lied as well) and by the testimony revealed in the congressional investigations where her e-mail to her daughter and calls to Egyptian and Libyan leaders demonstrate she knew her address to the nation was false.

    FACT: You refuse to accept the above because it doesn’t comport with your leftist views, ie., you deny reality in favor of YOUR perception.

    FACT: The families of our slain Americans testify that Hillary told them what she had told the nation, that the attack was due to a video, ie., Hillary lied to them as well.

    FACT: Hillary lied about her trip to Bosnia claiming she came in under sniper fire. The video evidence demonstrates she lied.

    FACT: Hillary lied about being named after Sir Edmund Hillary as evidenced by the FACT that she was born 6 years before his feat.

    FACT: Hillary has consistently lied about her e-mail server and continues to lie about it to this day.

    FACT: Our brave soldiers stated unequivocally that they were given a stand down order. Why and for what purpose may be in question, but all of them testify to this FACT.

    FACT: You have failed to provide an explanation for why our Democratic leaders unambiguously (not suspected) stated Saddam had WMD; why our CIA director said it was a slam dunk that Saddam had WMD; why George Tenet was supported by all 15 intelligence agencies in this assessment, and why Hans Blix stated he believed Saddam had WMD.

    FACT: Your charge that Bush lied about WMD has not been backed up and is indeed refuted by the comment to the previous FACT, the testimony by Hans Blix who stated the Bush administration believed Saddam had WMD, nor Bush’s Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates (who was also Obama’s Sec of Defense).

    FACT: Sanger spoke at a Clan rally.

    FACT: Dr. Lothrop Stoddard (who authored The Rising Tide of Color Against White Supremacy and another praising the Nazi sterilization law), was on the Board of Directors of Sanger’s American Birth Control League.

    FACT: Europeans brought diseases (which they also suffered from) to the new world, and native Americans transmitted syphilis to the Europeans. Your use of “sometimes” regarding purposeful infection, is FALSE, unless you can provide more than just the Ft. Pitt example.

    FACT: You don’t hesitate to paint with a broad brush the entire European experience with Small Pox (when only a single example of purposeful infection can be given), yet, when hundreds of thousands of illegals commit crimes in America and Trump points this truth out (Obama’s own crime statistics bear this out), you claim it is racism. You give excuses for BLM violence suggesting that regardless of the number of violent acts, the majority aren’t violent so they get a pass. For you, only one example of purposeful infection was necessary for you to tar and feather the European migration, yet hundreds, if not thousands, of violent acts by Muslim immigrants are ignored by you with the lame excuse that most are peaceful. News flash Shelly, most European immigrants were peaceful and unlike the Muslim immigrants of today, the Europeans often faced some violent opposition.

    You have also painted with a broad brush Trumps supporters claiming initially they were all racists and I think I recall you saying something to the effect that his supporters were people that don’t read. Now how would you know that?

    FACT: You defend Margaret Sanger’s racism because she did other things you approve of. There is far more to indicate Sanger was a racist than Trump but because he opposes the candidate you intend to support (despite her being a known liar and law breaker), Sanger’s racism is ignored while you selectively bash Trump. You can vote for that liar and law breaker Hillary Clinton since your party long ago picked her for you; overlook her vulnerability to black mail by our enemies, her attack on the women who were abused by her husband, and the fact that she is and always has been for sale to the highest bidder, but not me, I’ll choose the lesser of two evils.

    Regarding the Harvard sociologist, Carle Zimmerman, unless you consider amazon is now a Christian website, I didn’t post his findings from one. I asked and received the info from a friend because I couldn’t remember his name, but you can find his book below:

    http://www.amazon.com/Family-Civilization-Carle-C-Zimmerman/dp/1933859377

  • @ Shelly

    Did you believe Obama when he said we could keep our medical plan?  Our doctor?  Were you one of those who Jonathan Gruber said were too stupid to understand that Obama Care was based on a lie?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adrdmmh7bMo

    Did you believe Obama when he and Hillary claimed the Benghazi attack was the result of an internet video? Hopefully you understand that Hillary has been caught lying about Benghazi. Obama went along with this lie for two weeks…because the lie benefited him personally. 

    Did you believe him when he claimed to be conceived on the march to Selma Alabama which occurred in 1965 and he was born in 1961?

    http://www.ijreview.com/2015/03/265964-flashback-obamas-last-selma-speech-claimed-1965-event-led-1961-conception/

    He even lied about his own Mother’s death:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/21/barack-obama/obamas-mother-fought-disability-coverage-not-treat/

    As a senator, he lied to a largely black audience attempting to incite racial disharmony by claiming the government had not voted to wave the Stafford Act when in fact they already had:

    http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/10/09/phony_in_chief/page/full

    Obama sets red lines and when they’re crossed, does nothing, thereby embarrassing the nation as weak and ineffectual.

    Claims ISIS is the JV team and one day before the Paris attacks, says ISIS is contained. Claims, one day before the attack in San Bernardino, that ISIS presents no existential threat to America. Following such attacks, including those by the Ft. Hood shooter, Obama dismisses them as work place violence.  

    He doesn’t listen to his military advisors but instead sends pin prick attacks to hurt ISIS instead of the hammer that is needed and thus they only get stronger.  He doesn’t stop their flow of oil because he doesn’t want the oil trucks to spill any oil in the environment (weak!).

    He trades 5 top Taliban generals for an apparent deserter and even fetes this deserter in the Rose Garden describing his desertion as honorable service, a desertion that cost the lives of at least six Americans.

    His administration uses the IRS to target his political enemies, something Nixon was, in part, impeached for.

    He bugs the AP.

    He does all he can to hurt ordinary Americans during the 2013 government shutdown in hopes his lap dog media would blame it all on the Republicans:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2013/10/05/list-obama-closures-for-shutdown/

    Encourages a mass invasion of our southern border and then moves to unilaterally and illegally give them amnesty.  Now he wants to invite 10K Syrian refugees, people that CANNOT be vetted, into our country over the objection of the American people.  How many terrorists will be among these “refugees” (remember, one of the Paris attackers was a Syrian “refugee”)?

    In the face of all the terrorist attacks going on around the world and the direct threats against America, Obama, following the Paris attacks, goes there for a global warming conference and claims climate change is the greatest threat.  He is like Nero, fiddling while Rome burned, only it is the entire world which Obama neglects and instead of making music, he just golfs.

    See what these Egyptians think of Obama:

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/UXodRLLkth4

    Upon taking office, he promised he would fix the VA…it only got worse.

    In a quid pro quo deal with Harry Reid, he shut down Yucca Mt., the proposed site for storage of spent nuclear fuel (10 billion had been spent on this project…all wasted).

    Funnels our money to pet projects that promptly fail…see Solyndra and the $550 million flushed down the drain.

    Unlike the rest of the world’s leaders, doesn’t attend the show of solidarity in Paris after the Charlie Hebdo attacks and sent no senior member of his administration either (he must have had another golf date).

    Race relations have been severely set back directly as a result of the comments and actions by this racist president.

    He didn’t attend the funeral of Margaret Thatcher, former British Prime Minister and a dear friend of America.  Upon taking office, he also promptly returned the bust of Winston Churchill, a bust given during the Bush administration.  He seems determined to insult our friends and allies and give comfort and succor to our enemies.  He treats Israel’s Netanyahu, our long time ally, like he should be treating Iran and Russia’s Putin.  

    I could continue on and on regaling you with his bumbling, stumbling, lies, gaffs, anti-American statements and crusade for the diminution of our great country, but I’m worn out recalling the destruction he has been part and parcel of.

    Obama has been the most disastrous president in America’s history and his actions have bordered on treason.

  • @David,
    I do look at both sides of an issue. I don’t go to biased sites to get my information.

    Hans Blix and the UN did not promote going to war with Iraq because they had no proof that there were WMDs. So regardless of who posted the interview first, he states very clearly that he did not find any WMDs and that the Bush Administration and Blair pushed on anyway based on intelligence from a source that no one should have believed and was actually refuted before we even went to war.

    So either the Bush Administration didn’t know or they were idiots for believing a very tenuous source that Joseph Wilson refuted. After he told them their was no proof, a Bush Administration employee, Lewis Libby, outed Valerie Plame Wilson as a CIA operative, ending her career.

    Libby was convicted of a federal crime because of this.

    Did they actually vet the Nigerian connection? The person, Joseph Wilson, they sent to vet it told them it was not true and then someone attempted to destroy he and his wife in the press.

    The Bush Administration took us to war based on that source.

    President Bush went on TV and told the American public that he had substantiated proof (Joseph Wilson refuted their proof and Valerie Plame was outed as a CIA operative because she was his wife) that Iraq was attempting to buy uranium and had WMDs and that Hussein and al Qaeda were linked. He and his administration knew they were not.

    There were TWO lies that took us to war with Iraq.

    Are you going to deny that the Bush Administration and President Bush himself told the American people that Hussein and al Qaeda were connected. They knew there was no link.

    • @ Shelly

      Hillary Clinton is a liar who is for hire to the highest bidder.

      “I don’t go to biased sites to get my information.”

      Yes you do, you’ve already posted from the PP apologist site that attempted to use bogus and false information to support their narrative, the narrative you share. You also don’t look at both sides as you’ve already admitted you don’t read the links I post. If you seriously looked at both sides, then you would acknowledge that Hillary lied about the reasons for the attack in Benghazi because she told leaders in Egypt and Libya and her daughter one thing, then told the American people something different, and that something different was a lie. She told the same lie to the families of our slain Americans. Try exercising some honesty on this issue.

      Hans Blix’s job wasn’t to advocate for or against going to war, it was to determine the likely hood of WMD and HE stated HE believed Saddam had WMD, a belief you refuse to acknowledge. He also said the Bush administration believed Saddam had WMD, ie., another item you refuse to acknowledge.

      “So either the Bush Administration didn’t know or they were idiots for believing a very tenuous source that Joseph Wilson refuted.”

      Joe Wilson refuted nothing, he said he didn’t find evidence, that is not the same thing as refutation. See from the “biased” website, wiki:

      “Former Ambassador Wilson had claimed that he found no evidence of Saddam Hussein ever attempting or buying yellowcake uranium from Niger on his trip to Niger.[16]

      The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence suggested that the evidence Wilson found could be interpreted differently:”

      You also make the mistake in thinking WMD are referring exclusively to nuclear weapons…perhaps you didn’t see my answer to Joanna where she specifically asked me what WMD is (apparently, you read little of what I write or post).

      The outing of Valerie Plame is another example of the abuse of power that has come to characterize the current, Obama, administration. Retaliation in this manner is repugnant regardless of who does it and I’m not convinced that Libby was the real culprit, Richard Armitage is more likely; it was a low moment during the Bush administration.

      Again from wiki:

      Between 1991 and 1998, the United Nations Security Council tasked the United Nations Special Commission on Disarmament (UNSCOM) with finding and destroying Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction. In 1996, UNSCOM discovered evidence of continued biological weapons research and supervised destruction of the Al Hakam biological weapons production site—allegedly converted to a chicken feed plant, but retaining its barbed wire fences and antiaircraft defenses.[41][42] In 1998, Scott Ritter, leader of a UNSCOM inspection team, found gaps in the prisoner records of Abu Ghraib when investigating allegations that prisoners had been used to test Anthrax weapons. Asked to explain the missing documents, the Iraqi government charged that Ritter was working for the CIA and refused to cooperate further with UNSCOM.

      On August 26, 1998, approximately two months before the U.S. ordered United Nations inspectors withdrawn from Iraq, Scott Ritter resigned from his position rather than participate in what he called the “illusion of arms control.” In his resignation letter to Ambassador Butler,[43] Ritter wrote: “The sad truth is that Iraq today is not disarmed. … UNSCOM has good reason to believe that there are significant numbers of proscribed weapons and related components and the means to manufacture such weapons unaccounted for in Iraq today … Iraq has lied to the Special Commission and the world since day one concerning the true scope and nature of its proscribed programs and weapons systems.” On September 7, 1998, in testimony to the Senate Armed Services and Foreign Relations Committee,[44] Scott Ritter was asked by John McCain (R, AZ) whether UNSCOM had intelligence suggesting that Iraq had assembled the components for three nuclear weapons and all that it lacked was the fissile material. Ritter replied: “The Special Commission has intelligence information, which suggests that components necessary for three nuclear weapons exists, lacking the fissile material. Yes, sir.”

      So Shelly, the fissile material, even assuming Joe Wilson was right, was not the only evidence for nuclear weapons AND Saddam had also had a chemical and biological weapons program as well.

      In addition, were both Clintons idiots? Were all those Democratic leaders idiots? John Kerry? Tom Daschle? Nancy Pelosi…never mind, we know she is an idiot. Hans Blix? Scott Ritter? CIA Director George Tenet? Yeah, all morons according to you because they all believed Saddam had WMD.

      “The Bush Administration took us to war based on that source.”

      False!! All the above people believed Saddam had WMD based on this ONE SOURCE? Are you kidding?

      For a reality check, Shelly, see here again from wiki:

      Many in the intelligence community expressed sincere regret over the flawed predictions about Iraqi weapons programs. Testifying before Congress in January 2004, David Kay, the original director of the Iraq Survey Group, said unequivocally that “It turns out that we were all wrong, probably in my judgment, and that is most disturbing.”[71] He later added in an interview that the intelligence community owed the President an apology.[72]

      The same article also speaks about the possibility of the WMD being flown to Syria:

      Iraqi general Georges Sada claimed that in late summer 2002, Saddam had ordered all of his stockpiles to be moved to Syria.

      Anticipating the arrival of weapon inspectors on November 1, Sada said Saddam took advantage of the June 4 Zeyzoun Dam disaster in Syria by forming an “air bridge”, loading them onto cargo aircraft and piloting them out of the country.

      They were moved by air and by ground, 56 sorties by jumbo, 747, and 27 were moved, after they were converted to cargo aircraft, they were moved to Syria.[15]

      In January 2004, Nizar Nayuf, a Syrian journalist who moved to Western Europe, said in a letter to the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf that he knows the three sites where Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction are kept inside Syria. According to Nayuf’s witness, described as a senior source inside Syrian military intelligence he had known for two years,[16] Iraq’s WMD are in tunnels dug under the town of al-Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria, in the village of Tal Snan, north of the town of Salamija, where there is a big Syrian air force camp, and in the city of Sjinsjar on the Syrian border with the Lebanon, south of Homs city. Nayouf also wrote that the transfer of Iraqi WMD to Syria was organized by the commanders of Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi Republican Guard, including General Shalish, with the help of Assef Shawkat, Bashar Assad’s cousin. Shoakat is the CEO of Bhaha, an import/export company owned by the Assad family.[17]

      As I mentioned earlier, a member of the military intelligence community told me personally that many in his community believed Saddam had WMD removed from the country. I don’t know, I am skeptical, but I remain open to new evidence.

      Questioning the wisdom of the invasion is proper, accusing Bush of lying without evidence is repugnant.

      • @David,

        You can’t rewrite history. There were no WMDs. None!

        We went to war with Iraq based on lies. Hussein had no ties to al Qaeda. The Bush Administration told us he did.

        Are you going to deny that lie?

        They had no proof that Hussein had WMDs or that he was trying to build up WMDs. They told us they had proof. They lied.

        Thousands of Americans died. Thousands of Iraqis died. The whole area has been destabilized. It is a mess.

        Hans Blix feels the Iraq war was a mistake and a violation of the U.N. Charter. The U.N. and did not support the war.

        So keep posting from biased links but actual facts do not support you.

  • @David,

    Yes, Sanger spoke at a clan meeting but she did not support the clan. Actually read about it.

    I didn’t defend anyone’s racism. Sanger was promoting women’s reproductive rights and education in all cultures and economic levels.

    Most of our founding fathers were racist. Are you going to vilify them like you do Sanger?

    Initially everyone thought the attack on Benghazi was precipitated by the anti-Islam video. It took intelligence to reveal that it was not. Benghazi has become political to the Republicans. It has nothing to do with what actually happened.

    I have stated that President Clinton and members of his administration believed that Iraq possessed WMDs but President Clinton did no take us to war based on those suspicions. President Bush took into a war where thousands of Americans died, thousands of Iraqi citizens died and that part of the world was destabilized based on suspicions but no actual proof. See Hans Blix interview.

    Even though many people suspected that Iraq possessed WMDs and used that as a reason to go to war, Iraq did not possess WMDs.

    Most of the Senate at the time believed President Bush when he told them that he had proof that Iraq possessed WMDs

    In my opinon we are better off then we were 8 years. During the Obama Administration more people have jobs and more people have health care,

    Millions of Native Americans died from diseases or violence or starvation due to actions from the “peaceful” European immigrants. And they were pushed off their land. Are you going to deny this?

    The BLM movement is peaceful.

    A family where their child is raised with unconditional love and support and taught discipline and encouraged to be kind, accountable for their actions and work hard is the goal. Whether it be heterosexual, same sex or single family homes. Love is love and someone else in love and married does not affect or threaten my marriage or my children or my community. Same sex marriage is not going to end our civilization. Matierialism, selfishness, and greed is what takes down civilizations.

    You can vote for Trump if your party picks him for you. He has a racist, xenophobic, misogynistic platform in 2016. He appeals to racists, xenophobics and misogynists in his speeches. No not all of his supports are racist, xenophobics and misogynists but they I guess they can and will just overlook or gnore his message and platform in order to support their party. Right?

    I will vote for Bernie or Hillary who do no have racist, xenophobic or misogynistic platforms. Plus they support equal rights for LGBT people, equal pay for women, affordable health care for all, reproductive rights for women, and same sex marriage

  • @David,

    I will vote for Bernie or Hillary because despite their strengths and weaknesses and failings they are not racist, xenophobic or misogynistic. Racism, xenophobia and misogyny are not things I am willing to tolerate.. Those are my lines in the sand.

    No matter what you think of others and all the other stuff you can drudge up about others the original opinion was about Trump. Trump has a racist, xenophobic, misogynistic platform. He appeals to many people *no, not all who support him) because of this platform. He is running for President on that platform. Support him if your party chooses him for you.

  • @ Shelly

    Hillary is a liar who is for hire to the highest bidder.

    “Initially everyone thought the attack on Benghazi was precipitated by the anti-Islam video.”

    Totally false. This bogus claim would receive four plus pinocchios. There never was any report of a protest at Benghazi due to the video and you haven’t provided anything to substantiate this…other than your fact challenged opinion.

    “It has nothing to do with what actually happened.”

    We know exactly what happened. Lying Hillary and lying Obama left our people naked and exposed to terrorist attacks. The other nations’ people had left due to the threats of violence. The British ambassador was almost assassinated (I believe his driver was killed) and there had been attacks on the American embassy compound. Rather than beef up the security as Chris Stevens had asked, lying Hillary and Obama pulled security away to support their narrative that Obama had taken care of the terrorist problem. They lied to the American people because a spontaneous protest due to a video was defendable, a terrorist attack would undermine their narrative. They are responsible for the lives of our Americans lost simply to help Obama get reelected.

    “The BLM movement is peaceful.”

    At this point, after all the information to the contrary that I have provided you (perhaps you just ignored it all), this has become not just a false statement, it is a lie. How many links to African Americans calling the BLM movement violent do I have to provide? How many videos of their marches where they advocate violence or them punching people do I have to provide? It appears when you have your head buried in the sand, the whole world could pass by and you would remain undisturbed in your cocoon leftist ignorance.

    “Matierialism, selfishness, and greed is what takes down civilizations.”

    You mean like the selfishness of a handful of transgendered people forcing their lifestyle choices on the rest of society such that young girls must share the rest room with grown men confused about their identity?

    You defend Sanger, a racist. However, for you this is ok because you selectively over look her racism because she holds views you appreciate, ie., she gets a pass.

    Dr. Lothrop Stoddard (who authored The Rising Tide of Color Against White Supremacy and another praising the Nazi sterilization law), was on the Board of Directors of Sanger’s American Birth Control League.

    What was this racist doing on Sanger’s Board of Directors? Yes, you defend racists as long as the racists hold positions you approve of.

    “Love is love…”

    Does that go for incest and polygamy too?

    You can support the racist Margaret Sanger and vote for the lying crook Hillary whose cavalier attitude toward national security has left her open to blackmail, because it doesn’t appear national security is high on your list of priorities.

    I’ve seen how the simple desire to buy American is considered xenophobic to you and how quickly you tagged Trump with the racist charge, but think about how loud you would hollar if Trump did the things Sanger did, ie., speak at a clan rally and appoint one such as Dr. Lothrop Stoddard to a board position. See here for a more accurate portrayal of Trumps platform:

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

    Bush acted in good faith with the welfare of the country at heart; Hillary and Obama lied and keep lying for political gain. They are serial liars.

  • @ Shelly

    Hillary is a liar for hire to the highest bidder.

    Here is Hillary, claiming she and Bill left the White House not only dead broke, but in debt.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0owSPWLe9lc

    Perhaps that is why they took White House furniture and other items that they later had to return or pay for totaling some $135K.

    How about when the Clintons, specifically Hillary, wanted to put their friends in the Travel Office which they had every right to do, but instead of simply replacing the travel staff that had served 7 different presidents, Hillary falsely accused them of wrong doing, attempting to ruin their careers to justify her replacement of them which she could have done without falsely accusing them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxuwzBOY1Q4

    Hillary and the Wall Street Bankers, see here from a leftist web site:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSgNj94L2fc

    Here on the Clinton Foundation which Hillary ran; did she break the law, Article 1, section 9 of the US Constitution?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_XUto-04a4

    But I understand, you Shelly intend on voting for her despite HER war on women because your party long ago chose her. With the super delegates, the system was rigged in her favor from the outset, in typical Clinton fashion.

  • @David,

    Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have been advocating and fighting for women and the poor and civil rights while Trump was living off his fathers money, degrading women, taking advantage of immigrant workers, taking people’s money for a phony academy and being a reality star.

    I will not vote for some one who has a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic platform. That is my line in the sand. Racism, xenophobia and misogyny are my lines in the sand. You may be able to stomach them in order to support your party but I cannot. You can choose to if your party chooses him for you.

  • @ Shelly

    No, Hillary was trying to destroy the women her husband had abused, I’d say that is far from advocating for women. She and her husband did far more harm to women than Trump ever did.

    She has been the queen of sleazy operating and back room deals. She cannot be trusted under any circumstances. She is a serial liar.

  • @David,
    I will not vote for Trump who has a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic platform. Racism, misogyny, xenophobia are my line in the sand. You vote for Trump if your party chooses him for you.

    I will vote for Hillary or Bernie who have advocated for civil rights, health care for all, for women, equal pay for women, middle income earners and the poor.

  • @ Shelly

    Hillary Clinton is a congenital liar.

    “I will not vote for some one who has a racist…”

    But you have no trouble defending a racist simply because she supports your views.

    “That is my line in the sand.”

    If you support this disaster of a president, perhaps like him, your line in the sand can be crossed.

    “…in order to support your party…”

    Party is not important to me, I vote for the best candidate regardless of party, that is why I won’t be voting for Hillary, who is only concerned with her own well being. She is the worst choice for president…except for Bernie.

  • @ Shelly

    More Hillary Clinton lies:

    Chelsea Clinton was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11. Immensely insensitive to those who actually were affected by this horrific attack, Hillary later admitted that Chelsea was actually safely in her Union Square apartment at the time of the attack.

    Read more: http://louderwithcrowder.com/caught-top-5-hillary-clinton-lies/#ixzz473G8RHzq
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    She claims to have been instrumental in the Northern Ireland peace process. Except those who actually were at the negotiating table say Hillary was nowhere to be seen…

    Read more: http://louderwithcrowder.com/caught-top-5-hillary-clinton-lies/#ixzz473GR2P00
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    Hillary Clinton is just a regular person. No, really. Because every woman in America has one child who’s always attended private schools, was married to a President, had a personal chef, flies in a environment polluting personal jet, and makes about $200K for every speaking engagement.

    Read more: http://louderwithcrowder.com/caught-top-5-hillary-clinton-lies/#ixzz473GccxDV
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    Did I mention this:

    Benghazi – it was a disgusting video! The worst of the worst. We know for a fact, based on State Department documents, that not only was Benghazi a terrorist attack, but Hillary knew it was a terrorist attack which had absolutely nothing to do with a YouTube video. Not only did she lie about Benghazi, she failed to act in response to the attack, and 4 American lives were lost in the conflict.

    Read more: http://louderwithcrowder.com/caught-top-5-hillary-clinton-lies/#ixzz473GzJPz4
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  • @ Shelly

    More Hillary Clinton lies:

    Bernie Sanders and ‘90s Health Care Reform
    On Saturday, Clinton said the following at a St. Louis campaign event:

    “And I always get a little chuckle when I hear my opponent talking about doing it [health care reform]. Well, I don’t know where he was when I was trying to get health care in ’93 and ’94, standing up the insurance companies, standing up against the drug companies.”
    Only problem?

    In the ‘90s, Sanders appeared at a health care reform event with Clinton — in which she thanked him for his work and help on the issue.

    Bernie Sanders and the Clean Power Plan
    At Thursday’s Democratic debate, Clinton said this about Bernie and green energy:

    “The Clean Power Plan is something that Sen. Sanders has said he would delay implementing, which makes absolutely no sense.”
    PolitiFact rated the statement “False,” because it is.

    As the organization reports:

    …Sanders himself did not say he would delay implementation. In reality, he wants a more ambitious plan (and has released one) and has supported Obama’s plan from the get-go.
    And the guy whose reporting her campaign cited as proof of this wrongful attack has written an article debunking her statement: Sanders is not going to delay the implementation of anything that will increase green energy — he’s the one who’s been speaking about climate change the most in this campaign.

    Dishonest poppycock.

    Hillary will say anything to further her aims…she is a congenital liar.

  • At this point I am not sure where this response will fall into the “against Trump because because he used language tainted with race,” which has become an ugly word since Obama took office. Illegal immigrants are crossing the border. this is a fact. There is between 20 and 33 million ghost people here that are taxing our system. And, they are not just Hispanic people. The fact is we had far less problem with race before Obama began stir up the media (which is not media any more but entertainment). Trump has every right to run for President. He has every right to hold a rally. The problems started when instigators promised there would be rioting in Chicago if Trump’s rally went forward. This is not fair to the people who would like to hear Trump. I do not care if it offends your fragile ears. Trump is finally saying what we all need to hear. We need a new president and a strong leader. These people giving the bird to the Trump rally people or wiggling their butt is an example of uneducated people and people who are afraid of change. Hopefully we do close the borders. Vincente Fox does not want Trump to become president. Gee wonder why not? Because they do not want to feed and house their own people. Carlos Slim owns NY News, so be sure to catch what ever they are dishing up for Americans. The last time we had an honest media was during Watergate. That was 1974. And to answer someone is this stream, America has always been a melting pot. We are a mixture of many nationalities. We mostly get our ire up when our rights, “Remember the US Constitution”., are challenged. Every person here legally has an equal opportunity to go out and climb the ladder. In 1964 or so we passed the equal rights law. We are all equal by content of our character. We can not go back in time and adjust for history. That would be chaos. Someone in here said Hillary did not lie. Hello? Have you been living under a rock? Hillary lied about Benghazi and then scrubbed her hard drives.. So Joanna your letter defiling Trumps remarks about race are so far down the list in order of importance it is scary. We need a strong leader. And an American patriot. A vote for Hillary is a vote against the mothers who lost their sons in Benghazi. A vote for Bernie is a vote for a guy who cannot add and subtract. We cannot give all kids a free education. We are 20 trillion dollars in debt. And, that is not Bush’s fault.

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    • Donna,
      Actually do the numbers on whether “ghost immigrants” cost America money. These “ghost immigrants” have jobs and are contributing to the economy. Research it.

      Trump is a scary fear mongering narcissist. If that is who you want to represent you, Donna, then vote for him. I will not. I choose not to vote for someone who promotes fear, hate, misogyny, racism and threatens religious freedom. Listen to Ken Burns commencement speech to Stanford graduates.

      • @ Shelly

        Hillary Clinton defines corruption, sleaze, influence peddling, and foreign policy disaster.

        Still, we understand you will be voting for her, a woman who has engaged in a life time of corruption and is partially responsible for the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi. A woman who persecuted the women her husband abused, who accused the White House Travel office of wrong doing to excuse the fact that she was firing them. She put the nation’s national security at risk by illegally using a personal server, something she knew was illegal; she is thoroughly repugnant and only deserves to go to jail. See an analysis of her here:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpPrhkmV_rA

        or here:

  • @ Donna

    Yes, Hillary is a lying crook and Bernie’s ideas define idiotic. I agree with your sentiments above, but I wish you had posted this a month ago.

  • Read the book 13 Hours.
    Here is a description:
    The harrowing, true account from the brave men on the ground who fought back during the Battle of Benghazi.

    13 HOURS presents, for the first time ever, the true account of the events of September 11, 2012, when terrorists attacked the US State Department Special Mission Compound and a nearby CIA station called the Annex in Benghazi, Libya. A team of six American security operators fought to repel the attackers and protect the Americans stationed there. Those men went beyond the call of duty, performing extraordinary acts of courage and heroism, to avert tragedy on a much larger scale. This is their personal account, never before told, of what happened during the thirteen hours of that now-infamous attack.

    13 HOURS sets the record straight on what happened during a night that has been shrouded in mystery and controversy. Written by New York Times bestselling author Mitchell Zuckoff, this riveting book takes readers into the action-packed story of heroes who laid their lives on the line for one another, for their countrymen, and for their country.

    13 HOURS is a stunning, eye-opening, and intense book–but most importantly, it is the truth. The story of what happened to these men–and what they accomplished–is unforgettable.

    I voted for Hillary Clinton yesterday.

  • More violence from the anti-Trump crowd…these folks are reprehensible.

  • Amidst the violence of the Black Lives Matter movement, comes another video detailing the lies and corruption of Hillary Clinton:

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